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  1. chdot
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    efforts to create the city’s first new concert hall for more than a century are facing opposition from developers behind a neighbouring five-star hotel complex which has yet to be built. The simmering bad blood between the charitable trust behind the new Impact Centre, which has secured £45 million of backing from the Scottish Government, and the real estate firm behind the replacement for the largely-reviled St James shopping centre seems unlikely to be resolved any time soon after lawyers were called in amid claim and counter-claim about whether the proposed concert hall has gone up or size or been scaled back since plans first emerged. The city council can expect to be lobbied extensively from either side of the New Town divide before it decides its fate.

    https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/brian-ferguson-little-goodwill-in-spats-over-edinburgh-developments-1-4835681

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. crowriver
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    TH Real Estate have got a bloody cheek. I walked past the entrance to the bus station on York Place yesterday. The lift towers for the new shopping centre are absolutely huge! It's going to be a really massive structure, several times bigger than the old centre and occupying a much bigger volume.

    I'm definitely boycotting the new St James (apart from John Lewis) and might even be minded to start a boycott campaign if they carry on with this breathtaking arrogance.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. gembo
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    @crowriver, not John Lewis because they are not part of the redevelopment or not John Lewis because the shop and its click and collect feature are very handy?

    Mrs Garto has been boycotting John Lewis as she can't be fagged walking all the way down to the bottom door.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. PS
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    Had a good look into the new St James site from the top deck of a double decker bus last week and was taken back by how deep the excavations are. Assuming that the massive carpark is a necessity (I know...), it's a missed opportunity that they didn't cut and cover an access road from the north east of Picardy Place direct into the belly of the beast. Combine that with a tram/bus interchange under a ped plaza and that could have solved a number of problems. But that would have involved coordination between development, planning and transport, which I know isn't in the UK's skillset...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. chdot
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    “Combine that with a tram/bus interchange”

    Always seemed ‘obvious’ that there should be a direct link from PP to bus station...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. PS
    Member

    "Always seemed ‘obvious’ that there should be a direct link from PP to bus station... "

    And Waverley station too. Both via Calton Road (the new alignment leaves and awful lot to be desired for pedestrians) and across Princes Street at Waverley Steps.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, the former, and the latter.

    Also the north east entrance quite handy for me on foot or (previously) on two wheels (not during the current brunch of road works though, not on your Nelly).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. chdot
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  9. acsimpson
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    It reminds me of Trump and his toy throwing tantrums up in Aberdeenshire. I'm not sure why they think they should be taken seriously, are they compulsive liars, blind to their own actions or just really stupid?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
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    Mr Perry claims his company’s efforts to deliver a “safe and attractive environment” for its expected 22 million customers...

    The Golden Turd must also be a Tardis. 22 million? That's pretty much the entire population of Australia.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. unhurt
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    @acsimpson legitimate commercial interests innit? they can break the skyline with their ugly twirly thing perched on top of a lump covered in wafer thin cheapo stone that'll discolour & crumble in half a decade, but no-one else should alter the views of their paying guests.

    Re: "pedestrian environment" in that article - how many parking spaces will the new St James have again? Glad to see the implication that the hotel & St James center won't have any deliveries by articulated lorry though - forward thinking of them.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. jonty
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    I think they'll have an underground service yard accessed from Leith Street like the old St. James did. I think Multrees Walk uses this as well - the ugly pavement loading bay outside Harvey Nicks is supposedly temporary while it's out of action I understand.

    If the new St. James is that concerned about the number of lorries on St Andrew Square there might be an obvious solution here

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. wingpig
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    Cargo trams?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. chdot
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    The developers say they are on schedule for the retail part of the site to be completed in October 2020, with the hotels and homes due the following year.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/edinburgh-st-james-quarter-finally-begins-to-take-shape-1-4850079

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. crowriver
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    @EdinburghPolice

    DISCOVERY OF HISTORICAL AMMUNITION AT ST JAMES CENTRE SITE

    We're currently at the new St James Centre site following the discovery of historical ammunition.

    A cordon has been established at Elder Street & Multrees Walk. The public are thanked for their patience at this time.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. chdot
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    And today the Evening News can reveal serious concerns about the future of shopping on Scotland’s most famous street ahead of next year’s scheduled opening of the £850 million St James Quarter.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/princes-street-is-facing-an-exodus-of-shops-1-4866937

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. chdot
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  18. crowriver
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    IIRC some of those 11 shops were in the old St James (Mountain Warehouse certainly was) so no big surprise.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. davecykl
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    Princes Street hasn't been "all that" since around the time that Renton sprinted out of John Menzies (much missed, or, at least, it was at the time).

    M&S? OK, it has a food hall, but ever since they squeezed 2 into 1, it's clear that they'd much rather you went to the Gyle if you are clothes shopping.

    Frasers (as was), Debenhams, Jenners? Old buildings with floor layouts that shift randomly in the space-time continuum and are far too easy to get lost in and never find what you were looking for. Arguably for Jenners, that might be part of its charm, but I'm never sure who its market really is. I suspect that tourists maybe make up a perhaps worryingly large proportion of its custom, rather than regular repeat local shoppers?

    The Debenhams building is ripe for gutting completely on the inside, and rebuilding with a more consistent floor plan, while retaining the facade, if you ask me. It could perhaps make a great city centre IKEA (there is at least one in England somewhere, because of local out of town planning restrictions), with home delivery for bulky items, perhaps even by cargo e-bike for suitable items?

    BHS (as was): this was actually a fairly sensible building layout, and, yes, fairly impressive for the standards of its time. It just didn't sell what many people wanted to buy.

    So, what are we left with? Yes, Mountain Warehouse for the occasional useful thing (although not always the best quality, buyer beware), the "real" outdoors shops on Rose Street (albeit still with very "traditional" opening hours (Don't you know we're all at work during the day, and Decathlon is open until 20h, and is often "good enough"?)), Primark for cheap black t-shirts (you can never have enough, although many other colours are indeed also available), the Apple Store, and a couple of bookshops.

    For literally almost everything else, it's off to one or other of the supermarket superstores out towards the edges of the city. Or the internet.

    Actually, maybe what Princes Street needs is a bike shop?

    And, yes, some nice pubs and pavement cafes and restaurants to take advantage of the views over Princes Street Gardens on summer evenings?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. gembo
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    Waterstones used to have stores at west and east end of princes street and one on George street. Down to the one at the west end.

    The St. Andrews bookshop Toppings? Is opening on Regents Terrace? Is that right?

    George St has all the boutiques and niche shops with the cafes

    Big department stores have had their day? Jenners might survive as the nooks and crannies make it feel like a lot of different wee shops?

    So as davecykl points out - what can fill up the spaces? Would a big bike shop work?

    Apart from books and food from M and S I have not really been in the shops in princes street. Maybe swatch for a free battery. Jenners around Xmas and for quince jam.

    Hotels and student flats here we come?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. paulmilne
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    Shops I use on princes street - M&S food hall and clothes, Scribblers card shop, Dr Marten's shoes, Lush soaps, have been known to go into the Clarks but not for years now, Apple shop once in a blue moon, Boots, Waterstone, Jenners on occasion (used to go to toy dept. there often when kids were wee). Probably others I'm forgetting...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. Arellcat
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    Shops on Princes Street I use: Waterstones.
    Shops on Princes Street I use occasionally: Boots, Lush.

    Shops on Rose Street I use occasionally: Tiso, Cotswold, Viking Optical.

    For me, Princes Street is not much different from Fort Kinnaird or Hermiston Gait, except the view is better.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    @paulmilne, Barnetts on the Royal Mile pretty good range of DMs, and at least ten pound cheaper than the DM shop

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. chrisfl
    Member

    I *think* that we have all the shops mapped on OpenStreetMap - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/55.95193/-3.19807

    Scanning up and down it's striking to me just how many Mobile Phone and Jewellery shops there are. Also lots of shoe shops.

    I would be surprised if Debenhams survives 2019.

    Aside from the very big units, shops don't seem to stay empty for long in Princes Street/George Street/Rose Street area.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, "The St. Andrews bookshop Toppings? Is opening on Regents Terrace? Is that right?"

    Blenheim Place, dear chap. Continuation of Royal Terrace.

    Toppings will be very welcome in that area, I will certainly be popping in for a browse.

    https://www.toppingbooks.co.uk/contact/

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. paulmilne
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    @gembo, I knew about Barnetts, have even bought shoes there, but last pair on Princes St. I do need another pair of DM's though so may pop in to Barnetts to check out their stock.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    Utrecht has a buzzing attractive town centre.
    Give you 3 guesses how people get there...
    https://goo.gl/maps/Y1fgcRgL7Xo
    https://goo.gl/maps/TpuTcb17Ubm
    https://goo.gl/maps/ehtchEVGUT72
    (bus, train, bike)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. chdot
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  29. chdot
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    Organisers of the Edinburgh International Festival have accused the developers of a hotel and shopping centre of adopting “sickening, disgusting” tactics to try to thwart its new venue.

    Director Fergus Linehan said American property giant Nuveen, which is spearheading the Edinburgh St James scheme, was “playing fast and loose” with the city.

    https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/edinburgh-festival-chief-s-dismay-over-sickening-legal-bid-to-stop-concert-hall-1-4977393

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburghs-ps45m-concert-hall-backers-exploring-alternative-sites-project-paused-1337833

    These St James turdhotel construction hypocrites can go jump in the river along with the Princes St gardens overdevelopers.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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