Some details on the temporary cycleway to put in place on Leith St:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hjiegplgdsdj3hj/ESJ-SWE-Z1-TTM-DR-TR-00041%20%5B01%5D.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5q6yaurk3vie6dj/ESJ-SWE-Z1-TTM-DR-TR-00042%20%5B01%5D.pdf?dl=0
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Infrastructure
St James Redevelopment
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Posted 6 years ago #
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So there is a cycleway on the closed bit, but not on the open bit? Fab.
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So the cycling provision are a couple of big "cyclists dismount" signs?
**** off.
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From EEN: "Long queues. Best avoided if possible I think.”
Let's hope most single occupant motorists feel the same way!
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Note: Calton Road southbound open to all traffic.
That will be fun as a pedestrian or cyclist: NOT.
So, options for getting to Waverley as a pedestrian from the east of the city are as follows:
- Breathe in the fumes from diverted buses, SOVs, HGVs etc. on Regent Road/Waterloo Place.
- Do the death wish leap of faith trying to cross Calton Road in the face of southbound traffic hurtling at speed towards CEC HQ. Proceed down micro-pavement on either side with rat running vehicles hurtling past a hair's breadth away.
- Brave the micro-pavement of Calton Road northern section, with rat running vehicles hurtling past a hair's breadth away towards CEC HQ. Cross same road in face of rat runners without aid of formal crossing point, or alternatively dark junction with New Street under railway bridge (latter option not recommended).
- Do the death wish leap of faith trying to cross Calton Road in the face of southbound traffic hurtling at speed towards CEC HQ. Use the new temporary pedestrian corral until Waterloo Place, enjoying digging and concrete mixer SFX en route, then cross path of four lanes of diverted traffic twice to Waverley Steps.Options for cyclists similarly bleak.
The one decent pedestrian and cycling route into town, along Regent Road, with a great view, has now been ruined for about a year. Well done, TH Real Estate!
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Posted 6 years ago #
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Has anyone been complained to regarding the Cyclist Dismount signs? Who should be complained to?
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Has anyone been complained to regarding the Cyclist Dismount signs? Who should be complained to?
Spokes did; response was basically "No".
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Also, the chicanes at the ends of the cycleway only have a distance of 2.0m between the barriers. So not compliant with "Cycling by Design" (requires 3.0m) and will exclude disabled cyclists, tandems, trailers, handcycles, recumbents, trikes, cargo bikes, velomobiles, etc.
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I am assuming those CYCLESCUM DISMOUNT signs mean there are to be no traffic lights allowing cyclists to rejoin motorised traffic at either Leith Street or Waterloo Place. We are meant to dismount, walk our bikes out into the middle of moving vehicles and then get on again.
Brilliant.
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CYCLESCUM DISMOUNT
road sub-contractors seem to have license to throw these up anywhere.. v popular if they are working near a 'cycle lane'
given that 99.9% of edinburgh 'cycle lanes' are just non-mandatory advisory road markings
there should be no such dictate available to road workers in their palette of signage
Posted 6 years ago # -
St James construction updates including Leith Street closure:
Posted 6 years ago # -
Note that the temporary cycle lane, Northbound on Leith St, just dumps cyclists out onto the wrong (Southbound) carriageway into the face of oncoming traffic, with no way to get back over to the Northbound carriageway.
(There will be a giant bit of fencing on the central reservation)
Posted 6 years ago # -
there should be no such dictate available to road workers in their palette of signage
An appropriately sized set of white on blue "stay awesome" stickers would solve the problem nice and quickly.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Surely you just have sticker that meets compliant wording for Diag 966 (or 965?) "Cyclists Rejoin Carriageway" and modify signs accordingly
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Here's the way I think the temporary cycleway should have been extended to allow cyclists to continue their northbound journey without dismounting, walking and making awkward road crossings (shown in orange):
leith_st_north_end_edit by Ed, on Flickr
Posted 6 years ago # -
@Min: I was planning literally the same thing in my head the other day. Know any friendly printers? :P
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Regarding the Northbound temporary cycle lane - "it's worse than that, Jim!"
In my drawing above, the worksite will extend over the section marked in orange and with orange arrows.
Northbound cyclists will have to dismount, cross the rat-running/speeding/nose-to-tail* traffic at Starbucks, walk along the pavement for 100m, then somehow find a way to cross back Northbound at Greenside Row.
Very poor.
*Delete as applicable
Posted 6 years ago # -
I'd almost be tempted to go down towards the car park then back up the side of the theatre - hillier, but less enforced pedestrination in narrow, enclosed channels. The footway onwards to the London Road roundabout is at least wide enough to support walking alongside a cycle. Has anyone yet asked them what people with double-track cycles or personal mobility constraints are to do, short of going round St Andrew Square/York Place?
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Not sure I quite understand - the cycleway ends at Calton Road, not Greenside Place, so that would involve walking through the no-cycleway bit and then abandoning the main road at the exact point cycling downhill becomes legal again.
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The theoretical future when the cycleway is built or the probable immediate future when Leith Street is shut?
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Here's a marked up drawing of what the temporary cycle lane will actually look like:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrKPO2OLxvEYXRVNWpBWEZQNVE/view
Posted 6 years ago # -
Has anyone tried to go up Leith Street today? Lothian buses seem to think services are operating normally and there are no diversions round there.
Posted 6 years ago # -
I was through Picardy Pl at 1 and 4 pm
No traffic at all. Very spooky. The don't come by car message has worked, at least for the weekend.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Yes, bus was diverted (thanks LB)
On the way back at Waterloo Place I saw cyclists having to haul anchor in the middle of the road to get off and push their bikes onto the pavement to enter Leith Street.Cyclists Die
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Went from Leith to Tollcross today, thought I'd chance my arm at Leith Street: very pleasant. Only one car behind, going to the car park I think. There's a weird chicane just uphill of the Calton Road turn-off, with a large "pedestrians <--" and "cyclists -->" sign on it. The ascent to the top of Leith Street was as uneventful as you'd imagine. About half or 3/4s of a lane to yourself, separated from the pedestrians. At the top an advisory Cyclists Dismount, which today was manned by two people in yellow jackets who didn't think it was advisory.
The midline between eastbound and westbound on Waterloo Place had cones along it, presumably to hint that people shouldn't try to turn right down the hill when coming west. Easy to cross over on a bike.
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But how do you get across the streams of traffic?
Posted 6 years ago # -
I'm waiting for the report back of someone who's tried this Northbound...
Posted 6 years ago # -
I am trying not to think about that just yet..
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