@steveo:
The Conservative candidate said at the hustings he didn't agree with Option A, that he didn't see how congestion could improve and that the review should happen after three months (ie rip it out then)
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CEC election 2017 (May 4th)
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I will be at the count tomorrow with the Greens but don't expect any advance information because I'm not keen on a 'level 5' fine or a jail term not exceeding three months.
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"but don't expect any advance information"
Do you know if results will be announced when counted or when all counted?
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Not for definite; they will be announced when counted at the count, but I would assume all counted publicly.
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So you expect to be announced in stages - which would then be public.
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How do they do the count?
Is it electronic somehow or do they put separate piles based on first choices and then split those into 2nd choices as & when required etc.
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Yes, electronic "somehow".
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Oh God, saints preserve us from electronic involvement in votes. Piles of paper, human beings and lots of witnesses would suit me.
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There will be witnesses, but yes...
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Electronic counting is basically required with STV. In theory there is probably a very slow way one could do hand counts, but each trip over the quota or each elimination requires a redistribution of a full candidate's pile and then a recount. And I have no idea how one would count a percentage of a vote carried over. See you next Thursday for the result.
We do at least maintain paper ballots which can be fully and independently recounted if necessary. The machines do optical reading of your numbers and they get sent to manual verification where the choices are in doubt. We want to avoid electronic voting machines like the plague, no paper trail is no legitimacy.
Bit of a read at http://www.stuartmaclennan.co.uk/2016/02/machine-counting-of-stv-elections-faster-and-fairer/
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@IWRATS, are you still labouring under the illusion of not having a Green candidate? I see you've been corrected a final time on that. :-)
Anyway, more info here:
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@crowriver
I have been set straighter than Freddy Mercury in the mid nineties. Green ranked nice and high even if the poor wretch couldn't be bothered with a leaflet.
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I'd like to add to the voice that electronic voting is less secure, let Tom Scott http://www.naden.de/blog/bbvideo-bbpress-video-plugin -->
[+] Embed the video | explain." target="_blank">Video Download Get the Flash Video I do like the German national election system, a vote for the party and a vote for a local candidate. You get PR for the party but also get a say in which order the list candidates for your party should be.
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Ah. The last 'counted' was supposed to be 'announced', as in all announced publicly together. I had to get up too early today.
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@IWRATS your ward wasn't one of the eleven target wards for the Greens so there was no campaigning at all. I'll be interested to see how the vote share compares between the Green targeted and non-targeted wards.
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"even if the poor wretch couldn't be bothered with a leaflet."
Not sure, but it's possibleLiberton/Gilmerton is not a key target seat.Or just that there are not enough volunteers to leaflet all the homes.John Nichol seems a pretty strong candidate, though.
EDIT - just corrected by jdanielp
"I'll be interested to see how the vote share compares between the Green targeted and non-targeted wards."
Indeed, the the strategy appears to have worked in prior elections...
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Indeed, although I wouldn't be completely surprised if we make it in a non-targeted seat, but not sure which is most plausible. Just so long as Claire Miller wins in City Centre since she is 'my' candidate and is one of the eleven that have been targeted.
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Green ranked nice and high even if the poor wretch couldn't be bothered with a leaflet.
I know your tongue is in your cheek, but I know John and can assure you that the reasons for there him not having a leaflet to distribute are absolutely nothing to do with his level of botheredness.
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"I'll be interested to see how the vote share compares between the Green targeted and non-targeted wards."
I'll be interested too.
(I'm told) Greens are targeting 11 (EDIT written at same time as above post!) - and some think they will succeed.
My Post-It guess from a few weeks ago is 10.
Posted 7 years ago # -
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John McLellan, the Tory candidate in Craigentinny/Duddingston, tweeted: “Why is a piece from January being pushed now? Is council comms getting involved in the election?”
He said: “It was only when I looked at it more closely I realised it was from January 2015 - why is the council putting out a two-year-old press release just 36 hours before the election?
“It’s quite clear 20mph is a very big issue on the doorsteps. When you take away all the national stuff, it’s pretty close to roads and pavements as the number one issue.
“This press release is two years out of date and a lot has happened - like cancellation of Manchester’s 20mph scheme.
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(Last paragraph may be fake news - http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14250&page=5#post-244313 )
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@Frenchy
I know, just joshing y'all. We're not a target ward so he doesn't get a leaflet. I know about that stuff.
Though now that I know where he lives I might well drop off a leaflet of my own.
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Though now that I know where he lives I might well drop off a leaflet of my own.
He'll be returning the favour before long, I'm pretty sure.
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It does make me intrigued to know which parties are targeting which wards?
I can have a guess of the status of my ward by the parties from the level of work being put in, which has varied a lot, both within the incumbents and challengers.
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Now would that be the McGreens standing a candidate in the GE? I did wonder if they would, what with our patch being an unstable marginal.
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From the EEN story above:
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Tory transport spokesman Nick Cook said the “myths” which the council website claimed to “bust” included matters which the Conservatives had voiced concerns about, including the effect of the 20mph limit on congestion and pollution and whether it was a “blanket” policy. The website claims research indicates “vehicles flow more smoothly through junctions at slower speeds” and “20mph may help to reduce fuel consumption and associated emissions”. Cllr Cook said: “There is a danger the council is seen to act in a political fashion this close to an election on one of the key campaigning issues.”
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Yeah, never let a wee thing like evidence get in the way of Tory political mischief (as well as myth) making.
Oh I so do hope the Edinburgh Tory "revival" was just a Holyrood flash in the pan. Would be nice to see them end up with fewer councillors than last time. Maybe it will dilute their "fury" over 20mph a bit?
Posted 7 years ago # -
Will he be the next Transport Convenor?
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamrmcvey/status/860024881550962688/video/1
Posted 7 years ago # -
"We don't have local democracy in Scotland – it would be more accurate to describe the system as regional administrative units with an elected advisory board. "
I see what he means, but maybe that's going a bit far...
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And the sentence before that is -
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And in my experience the entire bureaucracy of local government in Scotland is structurally designed to be risk averse. It is seldom that staff are rewarded for big thinking. I know plenty of people who work in local government; frustration is a fundamental part of the job."
Too much truth there.
Posted 7 years ago # -
I have known/dealt with many councillors and officials.
My judgement is that things have worked better when politicians know what they want to happen and make sure it does.
Less often than you might imagine.
Officials are very capable of saying 'yes Minister' and then not doing what has been agreed, knowing that - too often - politicians have too much to do to check.
Politicians who just accept 'you/the Council can't do that'.
Senior officials told not to proceed with projects, but carry on because 'this lot won't be around for long'.
Sometimes they have been correct, and sometimes they've had expensive early retirement deals.
Plenty of officers who manage to 'get things done' and others frustrated by their managers and/or lack of budgets.
Etc.
Running a council with less money each year can't be fun, and I don't envy anyone trying.
Overall there's too much power in Whitehall, St. Andrew House and the City Chambers (and much more in places that have nothing to do with democracy - and I don't mean the EU).
I don't expect any change soon.
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