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CEC election 2017 (May 4th)
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Posted 7 years ago #
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Talks are already under way to form the first SNP-led administration in the capital's history after the nationalists won 19 of the available 63 seats.
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EEN has this story too:
"Talks between the parties on potential coalition deals are under way, with an SNP-Labour partnership looking the most likely"
"Sources indicated new Labour leader Cammy Day was keen to have conversations with all parties, but sources said they would be “shocked” if Labour was willing to do any deal with the Tories."
"An SNP-Green deal would fall well short of the numbers to form a majority administration and it is understood the Greens have indicated in any case they would not go further than a “confidence and supply” agreement to guarantee support in crucial votes."
"There is the potential of a three-way pro-Union coalition with the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems, which could produce a majority. A Tory source said such a deal would offer the “most stable” administration and claimed it was “the most likely option”. "
"A Lib Dem insider said they had made clear they were not willing to go into partnership with any party whose first priority was independence, but the idea of taking part in a pro-Union coalition had not been ruled out at national level. The insider pointed out Lib Dems had been in coalition in the Capital before and so were “not afraid of power” but were also “happy to sit it out”. "
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So, in summary:
Labour willing to go into coalition with SNP. Unwilling to do same with Tories.
Greens willing to do confidence and supply deal with SNP.
Tories want a Unionist coalition, excluding SNP and Greens.
Lib Dems unwilling to partner with SNP.
So, SNP-Labour minority coalition with Green support on key issues?
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I presume this is aimed at Adam -
Mike Bridgman (@MABridgman1)
05/05/2017, 9:17 pm
@FrankRoss06 @adamrmcvey Little human snake, totally untrustworthy!!!Posted 7 years ago # -
Some folk are just bad losers!
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What a peculiar tweet
For some context (I had to look him up) Mike was a Portobello Cllr from 2007 to yesterday, losing his seat to running mate Kate Campbell
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Tories want a Unionist coalition, excluding SNP and Greens.
What are the odds of voters thinking in local terms and voting for councillors and not their preferred Westminster party if the councilors can't separate their jobs from constitutional issues.
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I have met Mr Bridgman in another context and I'm in no hurry to meet him again.
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So, having stood as the SCOTLAND DOESN'T NEED OR WANT ANOTHER INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM party and lost, does that mean that the Conservative party now thinks that we do both need and want one? Does this nullify our 2014 decision? When will we be told?
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Tories won a seat in Shettleston in Glasgow and indeed in Ferguslie Park, Paisley
In Ferguslie they got 11% of first preference votes and got in at the 7th round.
Quirks of the voting system.
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Of course this is just newspaper gossip, but it sounds convincing -
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An SNP-Green deal would fall well short of the numbers to form a majority administration and it is understood the Greens have indicated in any case they would not go further than a “confidence and supply” agreement to guarantee support in crucial votes.
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I'm sure I will, once again, offend a few Green purists when I say I wish the Greens on CEC would join a coalition.
This is (apparently) the Tory position -
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There is the potential of a three-way pro-Union coalition with the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems, which could produce a majority. A Tory source said such a deal would offer the “most stable” administration and claimed it was “the most likely option”.
The source added that despite some obvious differences in policy there was a “surprising overlap” in manifesto proposals between the parties.
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I'm sure there are plenty (in all parties and none) who would wonder about that "overlap"!
50% of the electorate might like the idea of a 'Unionist coalition' but the notion that it would be the "most stable" (that word again) or "the most likely option" is more questionable.
In any case, this is about local politics and particularly the running of the Council in Edinburgh.
The Greens got more votes and seats than last time so are, to a degree, quite popular. Presumably most voters who put a 1 or 2 against a Green candidate wanted more G/green policies/philosophies to be enacted.
Whether 'Greens' entirely back Independence, IndyRef2, the EU (etc.) is irrelevant - and shouldn't be a simplistic reason for going in with the SNP.
In Edinburgh Green and SNP councillors (notably Adam McVey) are keen on improving refuse collection and recycling, they now generally agree on ActiveTravel, 20mph etc.
For the last five years the SNP and Labour who (mostly - and often quite vehemently) disagree on 'the constitution' have managed to maintain the "Capital Coalition", with the Greens maintaining something of an isolated, principled, opposition.
If they had got all of their target (not a secret) seats an SNP/Green coalition would have been a real (and interesting) possibility.
But that's not what happened.
As someone who put a 1 in the box by the Green candidate I will be disappointed if the Greens (again) pass up the chance to be 'insiders' with more chance of winning behind the scenes argument and also having Convenorship positions with improved access to officials, information and influence.
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I'm sure I will, once again, offend a few Green purists
That is easily done in my experience. With my background and politics I should be right at home with the Scottish Greens. I know and like quite a few of them, but (at the risk of offending even more of them) they can be, to put it mildly, a prickly bunch. They'd have far more seats and influence if they were a bit more welcoming.
And I also put a '1' beside my Scottish Green candidate on Thursday.
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Well thats three of us, and it was not because of their constitutional stance in fact were this a national election that probably would have gone against them.
Do we need to get to the stage of banning "parties" from standing in local elections seems to be the only way of decoupling national issues from local, whilst national may pressure local the reverse is not so much the case.
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As kernit says, it's not easy being green
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Can we please stop repeating the Ferguslie Park lie?
The headline "Tory elected in Ferguslie Park" is totally misleading. He was elected in a 4 member ward, which covers most of north west Paisley including Glasgow airport and parts of the city centre including the St Mirren ground. He scraped in in the 10th round of vote redistribution and only got 657 first preference votes. Must have been a low turnout in the ward to get elected on these numbers. Councillors in Glasgow or Edinburgh needed twice as many votes at least to get elected, sometimes three or four times as many. So maybe we don't need to get carried away worrying that the long term unemployed folk of Ferguslie Park are voting Tory.
Maps and vote tallies all available online.
But you don't have to believe me, try Craig Murray, who has looked into this further than I have:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/astonishing-tory-ferguslie-park-super-triumph/
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"Do we need to get to the stage of banning "parties" from standing in local elections"
To some extent that would be nice.
In practice more difficult.
If all councillors were truely independent, more danger of officials just running things.
'Voters' are clearly not that keen. Easier for independents/minor parties to do better with PR.
Worked in the 1999 SP election and then...
I think it would be good if there was only one candidate per party in each ward, though that would be seen as undemocratic as some areas do back particular parties above others.
It would increase the number of independent' candidates, some of whom might have been in a party until the day before the nomination papers had to be handed in.
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Controversial independent councillor John Caldwell – embroiled in a row over Musselbrugh Racecourse – was unseated after coming in 36 votes short.
East Lothian Council was a Labour/Tory coalition.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/east-lothian-labour-remains-biggest-party-1-4438365
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We then get down to the wrangling of which party will work with which to form an administration – which has usually meant who will not work with the Tories! No matter how bad Labour has been (think David Begg’s traffic management, think Cllrs Anderson and Burns’ congestion charging and trams) there has always been a party that, in seeking power, has been willing to keep Labour in power. The Lib Dems did it and the SNP did it.
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Fegie park Tory is unbelievable so the voting system got him or her. On tiny turnout. Stickman cites seventh round, crowriver tenth, also ward includes fegie but not all fegie. Very happy to have the bare bones fleshed out. Still astonished that the words fegie, Tory and elected could ever be uttered in same sentence even if bending truth a little. Having lived not too far away and taken train through many times. I am amazed
See also sheet lesson/ calton
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Cllr Adam McVey (@adamrmcvey)
06/05/2017, 09:37
Following our election as Edinburgh's largest party, it's our intention to form the 1st SNP-led administration in our Capital's history.http://pic.twitter.com/ZfM6ZHFfTe
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"they can be, to put it mildly, a prickly bunch. "
I hear John the Baptist was a bit of a prickly character. All those years of crying in the wilderness, eating locusts and honey. Probably.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Work in progress -
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/party
Removed emails of continuing Cllrs which is understandable/odd.
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@gembo: I got mixed up, that's one of the other Glasgow results I mentioned.
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Well I suppose the conservative are now the party of the pensioner with the unsustainable triple lock, which will eventually consume all the money in the world on an infinite timescale. People actively looking for work have had benefits frozen, so a 64 year old in Ferguslie who has been on JSA for 48 year would not vote conservative but when turn 65 would make sense. As conservative benefits policy over the last few years has been to reduce benefits of people looking for work or for those that are not fit to work disability benefits , while increasing benefits for those over 65 even if fit for work but can’t be bothered working, the idle pensioners have done well.
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Greens celebrate record result in council elections
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http://www.edinburghgreens.org.uk/site/news/result-release/
50/50 gender balance too!
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Leith Walk was not so far away from electing a Tory
Cristina Marga (Con) picked up enough 1st round votes to survive to the final elimination and was at one point only 188 votes behind Amy Mcneese-Mechan (SNP)
From that closest point however Amy was able to take on 317 votes from transfers and pulled strongly away for the last man standing spot while Cristina only 145 so there was no hope of catching up.
This shows the power of voting all the way down to keep people out.
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Andrew Learmonth (@andrewlearmonth)
05/05/2017, 12:11
This is fascinating. All spoiled ballots up on screens. Party activists argue. Lab say this one shows clear first pref for them. SNP say no.http://pic.twitter.com/cDJ6q5GyMe
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@klaxon, vote until just before you are sick surely? I stopped at five (made no difference)
@chdot that spoilled ballot on the screen as 12 labour and 3 labour was it?
Could the person have asked for another paper? Looks like the wanted to only vote labour but gave one candidate first and second then spotted the other labour and gave them third?
@crowriver Father John Misty has a great song Every man needs a companion that name checks John the Baptist and his big mate JC
Posted 7 years ago # -
For the record: Yes, you can ask for another ballot paper. You will probably have to hand over the first one, though.
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