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CEC election 2017 (May 4th)

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    "SNP form minority administration, with support from slightly bolstered Tories and Lib Dems voting through budget (extracting concessions along the way). Larger contingent of Greens in opposition, Labour reduced to a rump."

    You might be right - will find out next year.

    SNP may or may not do well throughout Scotland, either way unlikely to be mirrored exactly in CEC result.

    Crucial things are a) what's in the various manifestos b) the attitudes of individual councillors.

    I'm sure there will be some who carry on the 'anti-cycling' line ('it's not me, it's what my constituents want') but there will be others more open to other ideas.

    Perhaps a few more councillors with school age kids who appreciate 20mph zones 'Safe Routes to Schools', 'Family Networks' etc.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. Stickman
    Member

    The Conservatives have been putting out adverts asking people to put themselves forward as candidates. Tempted to see if they'll make me candidate for Murrayfield/Corstorphine to replace Jeremy Balfour.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    "I'm sure there will be some who carry on the 'anti-cycling' line ('it's not me, it's what my constituents want') but there will be others more open to other ideas."

    I very much doubt anyone will be openly 'anti-cycling' in the run up to elections. They just won't be enthusiastically 'pro-cycling'. Indeed I'll wager the word 'cycling' (or its proxy 'active travel') will only feature in a couple of manifestos. I predict it will not be mentioned at all in the Tory or SNP manifestos. However, when 'the cycle lobby' contact individual candidates from these parties, individuals will dole out platitudes with varying degrees of interest and qualification.

    I do expect a lot of rhetoric from the Tories and the right of the SNP about 'getting the city moving', supporting local businesses, etc. In the Tories' case this may include scrapping 20mph zones, but they'll share with the SNP an interest in getting the roads repaired as transport priority number one. Which to be fair, is important, but is likely to come at the expense of dedicated active travel infrastructure...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. Stickman
    Member

    Blog from Gavin Corbett on the Tron Kirk:

    http://www.edinburghgreens.org.uk/site/blog/tron/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

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    There’s the other issue of what kind of High Street we want. People seem to like the covered market as an 11,000 petition attests. It adds local flavour to what can otherwise seem an increasingly homogenised, “Disneyfied” Royal Mile. Of course, there is a subjective element there but I cannot really see what alternative bidder would do to address that better than the current short term user.

    "

    Must go back. Last time I was there, seemed mostly worse than tartan tat!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Last time I was there, seemed mostly worse than tartan tat!

    Agreed. And how local are the "local traders"?.

    Gold Brothers are local for example.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. Stickman
    Member

    Lesley Hinds standing down as well.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. PS
    Member

    I can't find it online, but today's print edition of The Scotsman is reporting that Lesley Hinds will not be standing for re-election next year.

    [edit] Beat me to it, Stickman!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

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    She said she would not be standing as a candidate in next year’s elections. “I will have been 33 years on the council by then, I have just celebrated my 60th birthday and I feel it is time for the younger generation to come forward.”

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/former-lord-provost-to-quit-city-chambers-1-4209098

    Well!

    Can't really blame her, there's only so much vilification anyone can take.

    Definately a case of the Chinese version of "interesting times".

    There are two unknown unknowns - which will be the largest party and will they be able to cobble together a coalition.

    I think there will be more scrutiny of candidates than ever before.

    I also think that there is no doubt that she has done a lot for 'active travel' in recent years.

    When she first became Transport convenor her main priority/headache was the tram, and I think she was 'sceptical' about 'cycle issues' but was certainly keen on improving things for pedestrians.

    She has listened, turned up at PoPs (even on a bike - not just as a PR stunt) and things are a lot better than they might have been with many other councillors in charge.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    I'm saddened but can't say I'm surprised by Lesley Hinds' stepping down.

    I suppose it is a generational thing, and also a recognition that Labour are likely to do poorly next May. However we can't ignore her statement about the stripping away of council powers and responsibilities by the Scottish government. This is a huge issue in Scotland, which has received little attention or public debate. Reduced to carrying out cuts to services on their behalf, indeed.

    My predictions above are looking less pessimistic and more realistic by the day. :-( (And that's just on transport).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

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    Just as the Scottish Conservatives had a good Holyrood election in May, doubling our number of MSPs, so we are expecting to add dozens of councillors to our number across the country.

    And, just as I looked to bring forward a new generation of Scottish Conservative MSPs, so am I looking for new faces to join my team in councils across the county. Women and men of all ages and background – working, retired or returning young mums, who all want to give something back to their local community are welcome.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/ruth-davidson-your-city-needs-you-to-be-a-tory-councillor-1-4210344

    CEC 2012 Lab 20 SNP 18 Tory 11 Green 6 LD 3

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Edinburgh_Council_election,_2012

    Unlikely to see Conservatives with the largest number of seats.

    Unlikely to see significant increase in SNP seats.

    Likely to see some loss of Lab seats.

    Unlikely to see significant revival in LibDem vote resulting in many more seats.

    Possibility that Greens could run a strong, targeted campaign to pick up a couple more seats.

    Expect lots of 'if you vote for x, they will form a coalition with y' (plus counter claims and denials).

    All voters (and non-voters too!) get three or four councillors depending on the ward. So in some senses it's not about party politics, more about the individual candidates - and what they might say to encourage people to vote for them...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Despite all the bluster from the Ruth party, by all measures the Tories have been on a long, slow decline in Edinburgh, somewhere where they didn't do too badly in the leafier suburbs even 10 years ago (when they got 25% of the council election vote). Despite Ruth winning Central and despite her overall bloc of MSPs being fairly large, Edinburgh was one of their worst performing areas in the last Holyrood elections.

    Local election PR changed a lot of things in Edinburgh; Labour used to get 50-60% of the council seats on 30-40% of the vote. SNP used to get 0 seats on 15-20% of the vote. The Tories seem to have always gotten a roughly proportional number of seats to vote share regardless of the system used. Probably because of their vote being more concentrated in a smaller number of wards than the SNP who would historically have a reasonable vote share but spread across all wards in the city and therefore not winning any individual seats.

    The Ruth party is I think hoping to pick up disaffected Labour votes but I'm not sure what Brexit will have done for that. I wonder if the Lib Dems can capitalise on this and take some votes where they historically used to be strong (West of the city) from folks who can't or won't vote SNP. When the LD vote collapsed in 2012 (from 30% to 5%), it didn't give the Tories any sort of bump. Labour and the SNP got a reasonable bump from it (proportionally, the 2012 turnout was low enough that they had less votes than the previous election. Perhaps all the LD voters just stayed at home?)

    Like the Holyrood elections there's likely to be some sort of anyone-but-the-SNP factional voting going on, e.g. Labour in the South, Lib Dems in the West, Tories in the New Town. The dynamics of this are made especially complicated and hard to predict by the transferrable vote system. I think this system also makes it fairly harder for the SNP to make the sort of universal sweeping gains they managed in the FPTP GE system.

    I don't think Labour will get the spanking that some might predict in Edinburgh, I imagine they will lose seats but still hold up a reasonable vote share which with the PR system will allow them to maintain a fairly large bloc. Andrew and Lesley are retiring yes, but are fairly well thought of and don't seem to be as muddied by Labour factionalism as the MP/MSP contingent are. I could be entirely wrong on that of course, perhaps there will be Corynbotrot Entryism or a NeoBlairite Putsch to try and stuff the lists of Labour candidates. But will it be larger than the Tories?

    Think the Greens should pick up a few more too, Alison Johnstone did well in Central at the Holyrood election. Andy Wightman well thought of too. Their councillors don't seem to have attracted the sort of scandal that some members of the SNP crowd have. A lot of Edinburgh voters do seem to have Green issues fairly high up their agenda, whether or not they actually vote Green.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Oh I forgot about PFI too.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    "A lot of Edinburgh voters do seem to have Green issues fairly high up their agenda, whether or not they actually vote Green."

    Last election, Gavin Corbett (green) got more first preference votes in Fountainbridge ward (9) than any other candidate.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Steve Burgess was first on 1st prefs in Southside & Newington too. I was in Meadows / Morningside last time round. Melanie Main got more 1st preference votes than the Labour, Lib Dem or SNP candidates for the Greens. But that still made her 2nd behind the Tories though!

    Chas Booth was 2nd in Leith and Maggie Chapman 3rd on Leith Walk.

    Generally the Greens have done fairly (or very) well in central wards and not so much in the suburbs. City Centre and Portobello / Craigmillar are two areas where they could pick up a councillor, they were nipping at the heels of the last to be elected.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. SRD
    Moderator

    "Generally the Greens have done fairly (or very) well in central wards and not so much in the suburbs."

    but isn't there also a correlation with active local candidates? ie those well known, involved in local community did well? wonder if that is just harder to pull off in the burbs - being more spread out, fewer issues (that sounds bad, but what I mean is not so many small local issues crowded on top of each other because of density).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @SRD yes I think there is; but then again is it egg or chicken? Do they have good, local, active candidates because they have a fairly good base of support or is it the other way around?

    There are certainly lots of issues faced by more central wards that are not so much present in the 'burbs. Communal rubbish bins. HMO licenses. High density of licensed premises. Student prisons. Parking. Hotel developments. Low levels of car access/ownership.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "Oh I forgot about PFI too."

    Well Lab, Con & SNP have all used it, so difficult for anyone to make much political capital out of it(?)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    The BBC programme on the Edinburgh schools' problems http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07qqx47 basically concluded that the 17 PFI ones are basically owned by opaque offshore entities.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37158402

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Not Edinburgh, somewhere a Communist candidate can get more votes than a Green!

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/labour-say-tide-has-turned-after-fife-by-election-win-1-4213338

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. Stickman
    Member

    So is anything being done about the allegations raised in Jim Orr's blog? More allegations being raised in the last few days.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. Stickman
    Member

    One of the people mentioned in Jim Orr's blog has threatened him with a "£50k defamation case"

    (In EEN, not online)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. chdot
    Admin

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    Of course some – especially those who like to cast Lesley Hinds as an evil mastermind whose plan is to create gridlock in the city centre and have all forms of transport, bar bikes, grind to a halt among the stench of overflowing wheelie bins – will be delighted at her departure. There may even be those who will cheer Burns’ leaving.

    But they will be a loss to the city. They know how the system works. How to get things done – or not as the case may be. Hinds got the trams running, she deserves credit for that even if you’ve never agreed with the whole idea in the first place. And if the City Deal goes through, bringing £1bn and more of investment to Edinburgh and the south-east of Scotland, then Andrew Burns should be congratulated, even if his desire for a more “co-operative council” fell rather flat.

    ...

    The council will lose many experienced hands next year – what will we expect of their, possibly naive, replacements? Will they be good enough? And if not are we prepared to give it a shot ourselves?

    The elections are next year. Anyone can stand. Good luck.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gina-davidson-next-generation-will-deserve-our-patience-1-4218725

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Now things are beginning to get interesting!

    "

    ONE of Edinburgh’s most controversial and colourful councillors has become the latest to announce he is to quit the City Chambers before next year’s elections.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/deputy-lord-provost-steve-cardownie-to-quit-the-city-council-1-4219312

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    Well it's about time Cardownie shuffled off the stage frankly. Given the further revelations from Cllr Orr, Cardownie has doubtless become an electoral liability for the SNP.

    My only slight concern is that we'll lose all these characters like Hinds, Cardownie, Milligan, and (thinking especially of the SNP) we'll end up with well drilled, but bland young party apparatchiks who follow the group whip and issue anodyne, near identical statements.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. daisydaisy
    Member

    Maybe, but surely any new bunch of younger SNP people will be better for cycling.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. jdanielp
    Member

    The Greens have announced their list of candidates for 11 target seats, including all of their current councillors: http://www.edinburghgreens.org.uk/site/councillors/candidates-2017/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

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    The party claims that any of Edinburgh’s 17 council wards could return a Green councillor in 2017, and it will be contesting all 17 with a view to securing the biggest-ever Green vote. However, it has identified 11 wards which are most likely to show strong Green support and it has selected those candidates early to give them a head-start in campaigning.

    "

    Smart move.

    Obviously they will all support ActiveTravel, Safe Routes to School, etc, but some might not be aware of all the local/citywide issues.

    So it might be helpful to contact the one standing in your area - or another part of town where you think 'something must be done'.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. Stickman
    Member

    Not surprised my ward (Corstorphine/Murrayfield) isn't on the list of 11

    Posted 7 years ago #

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