Yes, a Green would be more likely/possible if it was a four councillor ward.
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CEC election 2017 (May 4th)
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Posted 8 years ago #
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Slightly disappointed my preferred candidate wasn't selected for Leith Walk (there were two people contesting the selection in the ward). However I'll get behind Susan Rae during the campaign.
Leith Walk is highly likely to elect her as a Councillor. I just did not see any mention of cycling in her candidate statement, unlike my preferred candidate. So clearly not on her personal priority list: she's more of a watermelon than a mango, and is concerned with inequality, housing, etc. more than transport issues. So in a way, similar to Maggie Chapman, who whilst a cyclist was oddly lukewarm on cycling as an issue.
On the other hand, actually campaigning on transport agendas might not be much of a vote winner. I think though that there will be party unity on pledges around cycling and active travel. I just hoped I'd have a local candidate who would actively champion these issues in and of themselves. Instead it seems cycling and active travel may need to be presented via the social justice angle...
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"Yes, a Green would be more likely/possible if it was a four councillor ward."
As far as I am aware, quite a few ward boundaries are changing due to growing population, there will be more councillors in the new council. It may be that C/M has become a four councillor ward during the boundary review. I still don't think it will be a Green target ward though there will be a candidate.
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Even if it were to become a four member ward, the gap in 2012 between the fourth place party (Labour, 20.5%) and the Greens (6.1%) would probably make it unwise to target this time round.
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"...more of a watermelon than a mango..."???
Care to translate?Posted 8 years ago # -
more of a watermelon than a mango
Green on the outside, red on the inside versus, green on the outside orange on the inside.
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@fimm - Watermelons are green on the outside, red on the inside. Mangos are green on the outside and orange on the inside...
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apologies IWRATS.... concurrent posts. At least they also concur.
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@algo
No bother pal. Never happened.
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" green on the outside and orange on the inside..."
What political allegiance does orange indicate?
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Mary Campbell (@MaryGreens)
02/09/2016, 2:51 pm
@CyclingEdin Would love to push for better cycling infrastructure in the city - if you ever want to meet up just let me know."
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What political allegiance does orange indicate?
Liberals, normally. I think here it's just "more centrist than socialist".
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Liberals, right. I thought the colour of their phoenix was yellow, or on a good day, gold!
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Cllr Orr quit the SNP group in 2014 and is now an Independent but it is understood he may now seek to rejoin the party. “I have also taken the step to remove the blog to limit any reputational damage to the SNP,” he added.
Mr Coutts, who is fronting a campaign to oust Cllr Orr from his Southside Newington seat, last week served him with a writ. The move comes after comments appeared online which he says suggest he is “not experienced, trustworthy or professional” in his management of the Tron.
Both Mr Coutts and Cllr Cardownie said they would drop any legal action if he made a public apology and stopped making similar remarks.
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Apparently Minister(s) are going to decide on this in next few weeks -
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We submitted our reports and Final Recommendations, for the number of councillors and the electoral ward boundaries in each of Scotland's 32 local authorities, to Scottish Ministers on 26 May 2016.
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http://www.lgbc-scotland.gov.uk/reviews/5th_electoral/
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Our Fifth Statutory Review of Electoral Arrangements: Final Recommendations for City of Edinburgh Council area presents an electoral arrangement of 63 councillors representing 5 3-member wards and 12 4-member wards, increasing councillor numbers in the area by 5.
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http://www.lgbc-scotland.gov.uk/reviews/5th_electoral/edinburgh
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Posted here because of potential impact on Local Authority spending.
" Scottish ministers will have to make billions of pounds of cuts to pay for costly new policies being planned at the same time as a sharp fall in UK government funding, economists have warned.
Some key public services, including local government, face real terms cuts of up to 17% over the next four years to protect frontline services such as health, schools and policing, according to a forecast from the Fraser of Allander Institute, a thinktank at Strathclyde University."
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A Scottish Government minister is facing claims of a "conflict of interest" after blocking proposals to re-draw local council boundaries in his home area.
Parliamentary Business Minister Joe Fitzpatrick is now being urged to appear before MSPs to explain his decision less than a year before the 2017 local government elections.
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Can someone explain how 3 & 4 Cllrs wards work?
For a 3 Cllr ward, each of the 5 main parties put forward 1 candidate and the with the transferable votes, the lowest scoring candidate gets eliminated and their votes transfered to the remaining candidates until you get 3 left.
There's no point a party putting forward 2 candidates as the chances of winning 2 seats is fairly remote and they have a high risk of spreading themselves to thinly to secure 1 seat.
But with 4 Cllrs wards they do sometimes put forward 2 candidates and sometime win both. So how do they stop them getting lots of votes but the balance between candidates meaning one gets lots & lots and elected and the other not enough.
Should a powerful party suggest that anyone on an odd day of the month vote for one of their candidates and those with even birthdays vote the other one?
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Pretty sure the results for the last council election are on the council web site. Last time I looked it broke down the individual ward results in detail. So it's fairly clear what the process is and ho it works. Much fairer than the system used for Holyrood...
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Thanks crowriver.
There is an arrangement whereby the surplus votes above those needed are transferred to your next ranked vote.
So if you have 2,500 votes but only needed 1,500 to have more than 25% of the votes for 3 Cllr wards (20% for 4 Cllr wards) then you add in the 2nd preferences for that candidate but weighted at 40% (1,000 surplus / 2,500 total votes).
If one candidate has more than 25% then they eliminate the lowest scoring candidate and take their 2nd ranked preference.
Does mran you vote all the way down the list can have an impact.
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@hankchief, that might be a technical possibility but not sure in practice? However, Maureen who is an independent TD (same as MP/MSP) in Dublin had her political obituary written having failed to get elected. Everyone liked her she was very normal for a politician etc. Days later after all the votes transferred she was re-elected. My reading of that scenario was that everyone who voted, voted for Maureen somewhere and as the contest was close it went down to how many people voted for her as their fifth choice, sixth choice, seventh choice etc.
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Should a powerful party suggest that anyone on an odd day of the month vote for one of their candidates and those with even birthdays vote the other one?
In theory this shouldn't be a problem for the party - as in theory almost all of the people who give their 1st preference to Candidate A will give their second preference votes to Candidate B. If Candidate A gets eliminated early doors, then those votes will transfer to Candidate B.
I believe the main things preventing parties running multiple candidates are a lack of resources and a worry that people won't give their first and second preference votes to the same party.
There's also usually going to be an incumbent, who is likely to get the majority of the 1st preference votes anyway. I know of a party in another council area splitting the area geographically - putting flyers with "Vote Candidate A #1" in the east half of the ward, and for Candidate B in the west half. The incumbent candidate got far more first preferences everywhere, and the second candidate wasn't elected.
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My ex brother in law was confident of getting re- elected in Ayr when some of the wards were done away with. His name is Creepy Crawley (or Jolly Jerry, but for this story CC). Sad.ly the other labour candidates were Andy aardvark and Bobby broon. The candidates are presented in elections in alhabetical order and people vote in this order when multiple candidates of the same party are presented. Or multiple candidates with no real differences between them. (research from the Institute of Studies). Except of course when a Mr Gembo stood against several people called Williamson in an election to the board of a co-operative retailer when it was decided to draw lots for the order of the ballot paper, fairer innit. All the Williamsons appeared above the Gembo in that particular, eh fix.
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Had a bit more of a dig into the 2012 results and putting up 2 candidates from the same party is more common than I thought...
Labour put forward 2 candidates in 6 wards and got both elected in all of them (2 in 3 Cllr wards and 4 in 4 Cllr wards)
The Tories tried it 3 times and only succeeded in the 3 Cllr ward of Colinton/Fairmilehead.
The SNP tried 9 times with 2 candidates but only succeeded in Sighthill/Gorgie a 4 Cllr ward (where Labour also won 2 seats).
No other party tried it, unsurprisingly.
Overall the SNP won 18 seats - one in each of the 17 wards plus the extra one in Sighthill/Gorgie.
Labour won 20 seats across 14 wards, so the 6 successful 2nd candidates made them the biggest party.
All interesting stuff, but maybe not so relevant to the 2017 election given the wider political world appears quite different now.
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Talking about Westminster, but -
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But a senior SNP source in Edinburgh West said if she was reinstated the party would lose the seat at the next election.
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Surely if they would lose it if she was re-instated, they'd also likely lose it if she isn't and they ran a different SNP candidate at the next GE? I imagine West Edinburgh will go back to it's Liberal Democrat comfort zone.
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Does a party always have to list the incumbent MP as their candidate?
There's presumably some people who would feel loyal to Michelle rather than the SNP and so having her as an independent alongside an official candidate could cost them some votes too, although possibly fewer than having her as their candidate would cost them. I thought the SNP were scrapping the bottom of the barrel when she was first put forward as their candidate so my views may not reflect the majority.
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If she is reinstated will she also get her role back as business spokesperson - after all, they have confidence in her? Something tells me she won't, and I'd be surprised if she gets as many pictures with Nicola Sturgeon.
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