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New cycle lanes blamed for crash on Milngavie Road (Bears Way)
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Posted 8 years ago #
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Another shameful Johnston Press rag, I see by the web design.
Comments are refreshingly sensible - for now.
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Police Scotland stated the accident was not caused by the new road layout.
The road always been a single lane
The other accident was in the other direction caused by misjudgement by elderly driver
Great comment on taking up cycling because of the path.
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Much better class of commenter in Milngavie though!
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Oh yes
A lady from Milngavie said it caused a very long tailback of traffic
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Yes, @gembo, and the new cycle lane doesn't start until a few hundred yards up the road!
I wonder what kind of impact is needed to take out a lamp-post? Would that happen at 30 mph?
And @min, the comments are great! But there's always one...
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It wasn't a lamppost, more worryingly it was a ped crossing pole (well a Toucan to be precise). Yet another person who shouldn't be driving on the roads.
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Quite an elderly demographic driving round busy roads in milngavie
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gembo, did you know that you're allowed one post a day when you don't use the word 'demographic' ?
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@srd, you started it. How many posts am I allowed per day if I do use the word demographic?
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We have certain gembo-esque standards you know, they must be erudite, somewhat obscure (especially to those of us who weren't at glasgow uni with you and weefoldy), and, of course, off-thread.
once those conditions have been met, then we can discuss quantity.
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"then we can discuss quantity"
I'm more concerned about quality.
gembo's key CCE role is to be 'first poster of the day' (most days) - it's how I know Forum is still alive.
After that he can meander as much as his personal choice allows.
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So, in summary:
"There's been a crash!"
"What happened?"
"A car knocked over a pedestrian crossing signal post."
"Who's to blame?"
"Cyclists, obviously! Or the cycle lanes. Or the road layout."
"Not the driver then?"
"Definitely not!"
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The question I asked on a FB story about this was: "Were there no incidents on this road ever before the cycle lane was put in place?"
The answer was, as you wold expect, that there have been quite a number of incidents over the last few years. But never let the facts get in the way of good clickbait. If anything, drivers being somehow incapable to drive according to the road layout and conditions proves the need even more for the segregated lane. But again I think that's a leap in logic too far for those who are hard of thinking.
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"it's how I know Forum is still alive"
So gembo is the equivalent of the today show for submarine commanders?
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The article has been completely rewritten now. Cyclist was present but not at all involved.
"A young female driver lost control of her car and knocked down the set of traffic lights - which narrowly missed a woman, believed to be about 60-years-old, who was crossing the road."
The traffic light is across the pavement. If it narrowly missed her she can't have started crossing.
Thankfully, they've also removed all the quotes from people who clearly had an agenda to push.
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"So gembo is the equivalent of the today show for submarine commanders?"
gembo has no equivalents.
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I am up at 6.30 a.m. Mon-Fri and 7ish on one of the weekend days.
Some of you have just gone to bed, there are only a few hours, the darkest ones, just before the dawn, when CCE has no posters
@SRD I was once accused of wilful obscurantism by Allan Mssie when he judged a glasgow university short story competition. My story, curious to remember was about a ninja cyclist who put bricks through car windows if they had car stickers on them. Not as good (in my head) as the one about what happened to my dad after he got out the car at the Loch Lomond Bear PARK (NOW i THINK A HOTEL/GOLF COURSE COMPLEX).
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"the darkest ones, just before the dawn"
in the old days, the only time you could reliably get a dial-up connection to the server...
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@srd yes the night owls I knew at Cognitive Science back in the day came in to work at midnight. I would say to them if they wanted anything from me (nothing work related) Meet Me In the Morning
They say the darkest hour is right before the dawn
They say the darkest hour is right before the dawn
But you wouldn’t know it by me
Every day’s been darkness since you been goneTHere is no doubt on this god's earth that the best Bob Dylan album is Blood On The Tracks
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I liked this comment:
"Regarding buses stopping and holding up cars as someone mentioned again below I was going to write this to the Herald but never got round to it. While commuting to work in my car last week I got stuck behind a bus on the A81 next to the Bears Way. This was at around 7:45 in the morning. There was a trail of about 6 cars stuck for 30 seconds
Normally us car drivers would have skipped the bus and got through the next set of lights leaving the bus another light change behind. Therefore the 6 of us would have got to work quicker (assuming no other passengers in the cars). However now that bus is not going to get skipped by loads of cars (at each stop) usually filled with one passenger each, those 30 to 40 passengers are going to get to work quicker. The bus will be further up the line of traffic. So now more people gain when a bus stops (bus passengers) compared to a slight loss to the car driver."Not only has the cycle lane made cycling more convenient, it's also made the buses faster.
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That is an unusually empathetic comment from a car driver! I can only assume they had a lot of time to think about it while plodding down the road behind the bus ...
Presumably after a few more weeks of that they will either get on the bus or dust off their bike as they are clearly too intelligent to be stuck in traffic for long
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There's a Friend's of Bears Way group on Facebook, if anyone wants to stay in the loop. Becoming a fairly important issue, as the council are coming under sustained pressure from local drivers and a couple of councillors to remove the cyclelane.
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A new Mayor removed New York bike lanes once. Was some years before the city got them back.
Would be a shame if the same process had to happen again...
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Was going to start a new thread for Bears Way (there was a Roseburnstyle public meeting last night), but continuing with this one seems appropriate.
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Vittoria Lutje (@vlutje1)
01/09/2016, 21:13
#Bearsway meeting: no place for evidence, experts or reason- only shouting will do. But great job by the Council people and the moderator"
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David Brennan (@magnatom)
01/09/2016, 19:49
Apparently 65% of cyclists ride on pavement. #bearsway"
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Rylo Ken (@kennymunro)
01/09/2016, 20:38
@magnatom old fella turned round to me at the end and said "the road's not dangerous, there's only dangerous drivers". Hero."
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Seriously, can anyone help me through the logic of "They ride on the pavements...therefore we shouldn't build cycle paths"?
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From POP's Twitter
Comment from SNP councillor in East Dunbartonshire "Segregated cycle ways are not the only or indeed the best way to achieve modal shift"
https://twitter.com/POPScotland/status/781462423286980608
No word on what *is* the best way but I will eat my entire bike if it turns out to be building dual carriageways between every city in Scotland
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