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  1. chdot
    Admin

    EDINBURGH city centre is being “destroyed” by a growing trend for handing over public spaces for festivals and events, according to the city’s long-running heritage watchdog.

    And the Cockburn Association, which has been monitoring the historic heart of the Capital since 1875, launched an outspoken attack on “dumbed down” cultural events.

    It called for public funding to be cut for events run by commercial operators, accusing them of damaging the landscape while “presumably making a healthy profit”.

    ...

    A council spokeswoman said: “We would be interested in gaining a better understanding of the Cockburn Association’s concerns as our last residents survey suggests the vast majority take great pride in the festivals and the value they provide to Edinburgh.”

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/inspire-me/festivals/edinburgh-being-destroyed-by-festivals-cockburn-association-1-4075579

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. Charlethepar
    Member

    This is only a short distance from "Edinburgh city centre people ruined by the presence of people."

    In any case, 30 seconds spent in the New Town will be enough to convince anyone with an open mind that it is the ubiquity of cars, moving and parked, that have the biggest visual and amenity impact on a beautiful city.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The Cockburn Association are making a valid point, which has been largely lost amongst the chipwrapper's hyperbole.

    The issue is real, go and look at East Princes Street Gardens or St. Andrew Square at what should be the start of spring and instead there is some barely landscaped mud to greet the eye. Those spaces cannot currently be used for their intended purposes.

    These are public spaces - the first a public park, part of the Edinburgh Common Good Fund, the second a private-owned space leased by the council and improved with significant public funds for use as a public space. The damage however has been caused by passing these spaces out to the private operators of Wintervus, Festival / Fringe etc. who cover over what should be grass and flowerbeds with temporary stuctures. The main use of these spaces seems to try to flog you overpriced branded drinks to wash down an overpriced Genuine Angus Burger (TM) or German Sausage.

    Charlotte Square is equally ugly after the book festival, but is a slightly different proposition as it remains a private space given the lack of promised private funds to open it up as a public space.

    The Meadows isn't so bad this year given the recent change in heart over intensity of use (although they're currently driving a large road across one of the paths to accommodate HGV access to what is meant to be the new performance area in the east of the Park).

    The council response is always "but this doesn't cost us a penny because the operators pay for the returfing". Which misses the issue entirely that it's not about who is paying for what, it's about the 3-4 months following each festivus where large parts of public spaces remain in a state that means they can't be used as public spaces.

    Grass is a fairly magical plant given the way it grows is fairly unusual (from the bottom, rather than the top, which allows it to be constantly cropped and re-cropped without dying). It can take a lot of punishment and wear, can be deprived of sunlight for some time and can even survive significant periods under water. What it can't take is the intensity of abuse it's being given, especially in winter where it has no chance to recover. So the only course of action is to rip it all up and returf (reseeding would take too long).

    I think clearing some of our wider New Town boulevards of the ugly detritus of abandoned Range Rovers would be a much better place to put the gin and venison tents.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "think clearing some of our wider New Town boulevards of the ugly detritus of abandoned Range Rovers would be a much better place to put the gin and venison tents."

    That's what G St. is for...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. Morningsider
    Member

    Yeah - if only central Edinburgh had a huge paved open space that was never used for anything that could be turned over to these festivals. We could even call it Festival Square...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    The Cockburn Association needs a rebranding to stop their valid points from being pigeon holed as moaning and objecting to things by lazy journos

    They have assured me on facebook they wish to be constructive and progressive and yet they are always portrayed as luddite, objectors to change.

    Not sure of the Cockburn Association finances and structures but, for no fee here is an idea or two for the Cockburn Association

    Cockburn Association sponsored gardening initiatives to renovate and restore Auld Reekie's greenspaces

    Cockburn Association sponsored litter and chewing gum pick up

    Cockburn Association endorsed greenspace (e.g. The Mushroom Trust Garden in Dunbar Close or Canongait Grave Yard Clean up)

    Cockburn Association sponsored conmpetition to design Festival Sq changes so that people actually use it. This is my fave idea. Q Why does no one use it? A - It is not very nice

    Hey - maybe a petanque pitch could be set up for fine wine drinkers in All BAr One at Festival Sq, like what Babbitty Bowsters in Glasgow used to have? I love petanque

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. There's a petanque pitch at Edinburgh Park....

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Yeah - if only central Edinburgh had a huge paved open space that was never used for anything that could be turned over to these festivals.

    Ross, cough, bandstand!

    I'm sure they're waiting for the council to cough up the rebuilding of that particular performance arena before the Underbelly or whomever descend on it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. Stickman
    Member

    There's a petanque pitch at Edinburgh Park....

    Really? When did that appear? Where is it?

    When I worked out there I remember there was great excitement at the thought a Greggs might be opening near the Royal Mail depot.

    Gentrification and all that...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. Far west, by the putting green beside the tram line and the 'loch'.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. Thinking on it I think there are two or three at the north west corner as well.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    "We could even call it Festival Square..."

    I seem to recall it was colloquially dubbed Ceaușescu Plaza back in the 90s...

    A dreadful, bleak, windswept place.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    Putting green?

    I've been gone from there a long time clearly!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. Stickman
    Member

    I seem to recall it was colloquially dubbed Ceaușescu Plaza back in the 90s...

    There was some form of mass co-ordinated group exercise going on there at lunchtime - appropriately Soviet.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    "There was some form of mass co-ordinated group exercise going on there at lunchtime - appropriately Soviet."

    Also there is (or was, I've no idea if it still exists as I have not frequented the place lately) a huge tele screen in the corner of the plaza. Shades of 1984...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. cc
    Member

    "A dreadful, bleak, windswept place"

    Once we get Lothian Road closed to motor traffic, we'll have a lovely plaza stretching all the way from the Stalag Luft Hotel to the Usher Hall, and it'll be full of flower beds, children's play equipment, benches, trees and ponds and public sculpture, and maybe a wee place selling coffee and ice cream. And the sun will be shining, and the birds will be singing their wee hearts out.

    Until then though...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. They ran out of money for the screen I think? Might still be standing there of course, like a giant all-seeing eye... It was certainly fun during Wimbledon to see the Murray fans laid out on blankets with Pimms and strawberries watching the match on the BBC. But still seemed a slightly odd thing to put there. It's such a poorly utilised space.

    And yes, Ross bandstand, that could do with something happening!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. crowriver
    Member

    Bucharest

    Edinburgh

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. Arellcat
    Moderator

    large parts of public spaces remain in a state that means they can't be used as public spaces

    Exhibit A:

    East Princes Street Gardens Reinstatement by Chris Malcolm, on Flickr

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "There was some form of mass co-ordinated group exercise going on there at lunchtime"

    Today??

    Well I suppose the exercise might keep them warm.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    I've been told (in the past) that the mud isn't returfed asap as 'it wouldn't grow'.

    Perhaps not, but I don't really suppose it would actually die(?)

    Even if it would, surely some reusable AstroTurf would be preferable to mud?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. PS
    Member

    “If the council wants to maintain Edinburgh’s position as a festival city it must up its game in terms of quality and inclusivity and not just head for the lowest denominator, where cheap accommodation, cheap booze and low-quality attractions are all they have to offer."

    Cheap booze? I wish.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "Cheap booze?"

    Yeah, Lidl & Aldi will be running all the 'bars in tents' this year...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    The booze is expensive to keep the riffraff out.

    The Cockburn Ass should approve.

    I actually approve of the CA. It's not some 'restraining' of council/developer ambitions over the years.

    But it doesn't always choose its fights/convey its message well.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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