Edinburgh councillors agree to Sunday parking charges - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36468778
An end to dump it anywhere on Sundays?
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Edinburgh councillors agree to Sunday parking charges
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Posted 7 years ago #
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According to A Tory, these parking charges will affect Church Congregations.
Am I alone in thinking that car parking is probably quite far down the list of reasons why people don't bother much with the church these days???
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" It is expected to be implemented around the end of 2018."
Two and a half years!!!?
Also doesn't take effect until 12.30pm. Time for all good church-goers to have done their thing and be home preparing Sunday lunch.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Amen to that.............
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A step in the right direction, but why only starting at 12:30, and why so long to implement?
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I remember when this was mooted, and hit the EEN aaaaaaaaaaages ago, there was a restaurateur who was adamant this would kill her restaurant, that no-one would come on a Sunday, and that she'd be forced out of business.
I asked what her takings split was between Saturday (with charges) and Sunday (without) but she then went very quiet...
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WC, did she happen to mention where she parked on a Sunday?
/Cynicism
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It's all kicking off on the Corstorphine fb page...
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Hold on a mo. Which option did Council agree to? There were three options I think:
1. Charges in zones 1-4 only
2. Charges in zones 1-4 and main routes into city (to help buses and ease congestion)
3. Charges across the CPZOh there was also the option to have restrictions all day, as Glasgow does, and numerous other cities in the UK. Obviously this latter was not agreed.
I hope they've gone for option 2 because otherwise there will be a parking free for all everywhere just outside zones 1-4...
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BBC news states zones 1-4 from 12.30pm to 18.00pm around the end of 2018
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The tweet I linked before states the 'zone 1-4 + main routes' option was selected
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@Klaxon, must have missed the link. Excellent news that they've gone for the main routes option. This will make travel by bus (and bike) into the city more pleasant and convenient on a Sunday...
Posted 7 years ago # -
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08/06/2016 7:28 AM
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It really is blinkered thinking from motorists if they think Edinburgh city centre is dying because the council, like every other successful European city, is trying to make it a more pleasant place for pedestrians. The city is heaving all of the time and will attract more people if it isn't one giant car-park, as is the case now, especially on Sundays. I am a car-owner who doesn't like wandering about the city centre because of the amount of traffic I have to deal with as a pedestrian. It's loud and polluted. If we reduce the traffic I will be more inclined to go into the city centre and spend money. I am not the only person who feels this way and other cities that have made their cities more pedestrian-centric are thriving. Motorists have had their way for far too long - they're like smokers, and we know what happened there.
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That's really the nub of it. You get so many people saying, "Ah well if I have to pay a few quid to park then I'm not going to come to the city centre, I'm going to drive to Livingston instead where the parking is free*", and what they completely miss is that loads of people avoid the city centre precisely because there's too much traffic and it can be difficult to move about as a pedestrian in some places.
Absolutely spot on that most successful European cities have put measures in place to reduce traffic, and that's gone on for years - whether it's only being allowed to drive into the city on days where your number plate matches a certain number, outright bans on SUVs, not allowing large lorries, etc etc etc.
20 years ago I went to Lyon to study for a year. 20 years ago they had a huge swathe right through the centre of the city that was pedestrianized (with large pedestrianized squares at either end). 20 years ago they had a cobbled old town which they routed cars around the back of, leaving the streets completely free for pedestrians to meander, pubs and cafes to spill out, and musicians to strum.
There are areas of Paris you can stroll around without worrying of cars. Copenhagen has the Stroget, which is more than a kilometre long, completely pedestrianized, and with some particularly fancy shops. The old town of San Sebastian / Donostia is a total joy. Madrid, Krakow, Pristina, Beirut even, all have areas free of cars. And all (save Pristina and Beirut from memory) charge for car parking.
Just what is so special** about Edinburgh that it'll die completely if people have to pay a few quid to take their car in on a weekend?
*... strangely forgetting about the extra petrol, and cost associated with it, to get there.
** by 'special' I mean 'backward' of course
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"Every community has excuses for why changing the way they use their streets is impossible, impractical or just insane ". Jeanette Sadik-Khan
Posted 7 years ago # -
Not all parking is free in Livingston anyway - if you want to park near the Centre, you have to pay.
Posted 7 years ago # -
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BUSINESS leaders have warned that new Sunday parking charges will drive shoppers away from the city centre.
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“It’s the one day of the week that locals from further afield know they can get into the centre of Edinburgh without the normal congestion of commuter traffic, and go about their shopping without having to worry about running back to the car every hour. Now they will [have to worry about that].”
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Councillor Nick Cook, Tory transport spokesman, said the charges would “jeopardise” footfall to the city centre, adding: “These charges are bad for society, they’re bad for business and they’re bad for Edinburgh.”
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BUSINESS leaders have warned that new Sunday parking charges will drive shoppers away from the city centre
The people who wanted to drive to the shops already did. They drove to Kinnaird Park or Straiton or Livingston or the Gyle or Ocean Terminal. There's a committed hardcore of drivist shopaholics who will have gone to far flung places like Braehead. There's not much you can get in the City Centre that you can't get at the places above. People aren't really coming for the parking or even the shops and what's in them. Perhaps they're coming for some other undivinable reason...
Personally I don't see the parking charges on a Sunday as the priority, I see the lack of enforcement of parking in places that aren't car parking bays as the problem. Let people fight it out over the limited supply of parking bays and without the temptation and convenience of plonking their metal box down on the nearest double yellow or pavement because of hovering wardens, they'll quickly realise demand greatly exceeds supply and adjust behaviour accordingly.
Let's also not forget that the new St. James Centre development is adding an extra couple of thousand parking spaces to the city centre not a stones throw from the existing thousands under the Omni Centre.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Nothing gets a local Conservative councillor more excised than the suggestion that people pay for parking.
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Nothing gets a local Conservative councillor more excised than the suggestion that people pay for parking.
Or the suggestion that they shouldn't pay for the bus.Posted 7 years ago # -
“It’s the one day of the week that locals from further afield know they can get into the centre of Edinburgh without the normal congestion of commuter traffic, and go about their shopping without having to worry about running back to the car every hour. Now they will [have to worry about that].”
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Councillor Nick Cook, Tory transport spokesman, said the charges would “jeopardise” footfall to the city centre, adding: “These charges are bad for society, they’re bad for business and they’re bad for Edinburgh.”
Again, I have to wonder if Edinburgh is a ghost town on a Saturday in that case?
Posted 7 years ago # -
It would appear that the only thing that makes Sunday different from Saturday is the free parking.
If that's not the case, then presumably there will be a resurrection of the Keep Sundays Special campaign, with reduced opening hours, licensing restrictions etc?
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You know what makes me want to avoid the town centre? The interminable waits at pedestrian crossings just to get from one shop to another.
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Only one comment so far
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erill9:51 AM on 08/06/2016
Edinburgh is a seven day city. Why then do the buses operate a reduced service at weekends. It's likely that more people want to use the buses at weekends rather than drive. Probably going for drink or out with the kids. It's the same when there's a bank holiday, the Sunday service runs into Monday. It's okay if you live in edinburgh and have access to several buses but on the outskirts, miss a bus and you standing for another 20 minutes or more for the next bus.there are people who work Saturday and Sunday but may have to use their car just to get in early. Get a regular bus service throughout edinburgh and people will come in to town.
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*Presumably* there will be more buses on a Sunday(?)
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“These charges are bad for society, they’re bad for business and they’re bad for Edinburgh.”
This from the party that brought us "There is no such thing as society".
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*Presumably* there will be more buses on a Sunday(?)
I sympathise with this comment - we're fairly central but even then there are a few potentially useful buses that just don't run on a Sunday or are downgraded to lower frequency. If you aren't getting a bus heading to Corstorphine or Balerno, trying to get in the direction of the Bridges can be a real pain.
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"locals from further afield", "normal congestion", "worry about running back to the car" - a telling insight into the mind of a Tory councillor.
Posted 7 years ago # -
You missed a bit - "every hour".
Is that for the illegal meter feeding??
(Or perhaps just the driving round the block to find another parking space.)
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