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  1. crowriver
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    Stooshie amidst "outrage" over a segregated cycle lane on a busy road. Shock! Horror!

    Ayr MSP John Scott: “It’s not too late to call a halt to this and, even at this late stage, I hope that the roads authorities will listen to the concerns of local people, who after all were not in any way consulted about the changes now being pushed through.

    “It’s also time for South Ayrshire Council to step in and add their voice to the calls for action to reverse these changes.”

    Sound familiar? Some kudos though to the council for pushing this scheme through. I think we can imagine imagine what the result would have been had they listened "to the concerns of local people"...

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/road-bosses-admit-carried-out-8754720

    Posted 7 years ago #

  2. chdot
    Admin

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    Ayr MSP John Scott said: “Upgrading the cycle lanes that already existed would have caused no difficulties and avoided many of the problems that local residents are already experiencing.

    "

    Does he mean painted lines on the same bit of road?

    Reading the whole article suggests council less than wise on process.

    Looking at photo of cycle lane with bollards in middle, other questions might need to be asked.

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  3. piosad
    Member

    The horror of parents not being able to park in the school playground!..

    Posted 7 years ago #

  4. neddie
    Member

    The D. Record article mostly describes problems created by the drivers of cars (not cycle lanes)

    Posted 7 years ago #

  5. Cyclops
    Member

    "rescue the arterial road in and out of town from disaster"

    You've got to love the ludicrous hyperbole. The cycle lane looks 90% complete in the pictures and I can't envisage the road being narrowed any further. So, what do we see? Looks like free flowing traffic to me or "disaster" if you're an MSP.

    I suspect the bollards are to prevent the residents of the houses adjoining the road using it as their own private parking bays.

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  6. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    Why on earth do bikes have to give way to cars going in/out of driveways though?

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  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Perhaps the Cycling Officers decided to cut out the lengthy and arduous 'consultation' period and go straight to controversy and review.

    Would have saved time and trouble at Roseburn.

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  8. jonty
    Member

    "Why on earth do bikes have to give way to cars going in/out of driveways though?"

    Do they? Looks to me like it has priority over side roads. That red thing that has a give way triangle before it is a bus stop bypass I think.

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  9. crowriver
    Member

    They have put this on the Ayrshire Post's Farcboak page. You've got to love the angry comments! Makes the EEN seem positively benign in comparison...

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  10. wingpig
    Member

    Hyperbole is common round that way. Remember that Ayr recently featured UPROAR over the IRRESPONSIBLE building of a DEATH WALL near a bus stop. It was so uproarious I can't find it on a quick Google.

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  11. Stickman
    Member

    I haven't been to deepest darkest Ayrshire for a while. Is it really a congested Carmageddon?

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  12. wee folding bike
    Member

    Went to school in Ayr but I've not been cycling there since October. It's never really that busy. There used to be an intermittent dotted lane on that road. I suspect this is meant to link with the cycle lane on the A70 past Sundrum and out to Coylton.

    What are the central bollards for?

    That's the park side of the road, you can see the cemetery on the other side in the background, I think there are fewer side roads on that side of the road but it's more than 20 years since I stayed in Ayr so it might have changed a bit.

    The Met office have their measurement system in that cemetery because it's the dead centre of town. I'll get my coat.

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  13. crowriver
    Member

    The villagers have gathered their pitchforks and are marching on County Hall...

    South Ayrshire councillors set to launch bid to rip up Holmston Road cycle lane

    "A STRING of cross-party political figures told residents they will lead the fight to rip up the controversial road."

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/south-ayrshire-councillors-set-launch-8931277

    Posted 7 years ago #

  14. Stickman
    Member

    It's not a great design but if they did do it for £60k then that's impressive.

    Cross-party. What a country to live in.

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  15. gembo
    Member

    My sister lives off holmston road. If we are down on a Sunday there is little traffic but not sure mom-fri. I remember the Cross Party though, was made up of various Tory councillors. Also George younger if you go back that far when I failed in attempt to get him out by whipping up the Ayr massive at Glasgow uni to go back home and vote. Scraped in by few hundred.

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  16. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Is that, whisper it, a floating bus stop in the Daily Record link? Someone pass the smelling salts.

    Judging by the stooshie, perhaps we have finally found KNS man's spiritual home.

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  17. crowriver
    Member

    "perhaps we have finally found KNS man's spiritual home."

    Or maybe it's East Dunbartonshire? To judge by that stooshie.

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  18. Morningsider
    Member

    Clever use of paint and rubber kerbs, not sure about all the bollards though. I was just saying at PY how things can be done much more cheaply and quickly than seems to happen in Edinburgh, this is a good example.

    The article is a hoot though - you would think it was about a leaking toxic waste dump next to a nursery and home for abandoned kittens.

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  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    “What he has inflicted on the people here is just appalling.”

    Presumably refering to the decision to punch the M8 through the middle of Glasgow on stilts? Or tear up half our railways? Can't just be a few rubber bricks and a strip of Rangers shirt material? Ah, hang on...could that be the issue?

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  20. Stickman
    Member

    The Daily Record doing its bit for cycle safety.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/fears-over-free-protest-parking-8917277

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  21. chdot
    Admin

    "

    This picture shows how easy it is to bring Ayr’s unwanted cycle expressway to a grinding, crashing halt.

    Parking just one vehicle on the Holmston Road blocks it completely.

    And we can exclusively reveal that it is perfectly legal to park right on top of the cycle path.

    "

    "unwanted"(?)

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  22. Roibeard
    Member

    now anyone can put a spoke right in it

    Which is what I would be concerned about, had I left my vehicle unattended on the cycle track...

    Vehicles obviously left at the owner's risk!

    Robert

    Posted 7 years ago #

  23. neddie
    Member

    OUR PICTURE shows how easy it would be to bring the unwanted cycle expressway to a halt as just one vehicle blocks it completely.

    This is the mentality of drivists - that once your lane is blocked, there is no way to go around it.

    You see, that's the thing about bicycles - they require very little space. And they can easily go round obstructions.

    So a car parked in the cycleway will not "bring it to a halt" at all.

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  24. Rob
    Member

    "Rule 242

    You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road."

    While it may not be against the law to park there in general, protest parking and intentionally causing an obstruction must be breaking this one.

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  25. ih
    Member

    This could start a war. It wouldn't take much either for a few bikes to perfectly legally bring some streets to a grinding halt.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  26. jonty
    Member

    What a vicious campaign. There have been planning disputes regarding old folks' homes etc in Edinburgh - perhaps next week the Record is going to "reveal" that it's still technically legal to park on the pavement outside their doors and block them in.

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  27. wingpig
    Member

    Although I can't find any newspapery evidence through Googling I believe there was some furore in Ayr a few years ago over the installation of a short, low wall next to a bus stop in the town centre.

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  28. Stickman
    Member

    The SNP have submitted a council motion that the lane is ripped up and the road restored to its previous state.

    http://heyevent.uk/event/cfyrza23k2dp4a/council-meeting-discussing-cycle-lane

    Incidentally, the lane did not reduce the road width:

    http://road.cc/content/news/206786-road-width-and-parking-unaffected-cycle-lane-protested-ayr-rower

    Posted 7 years ago #

  29. Morningsider
    Member

    The Record and residents are wrong - they are "breaking the law". Causing an obstruction is an offence and a police officer can require a vehicle causing an obstruction to be moved, or arrange for its removal if the driver can't/won't move it.

    I have had a gander at Holmeston Road on street view, it is fronted by a large graveyard and a few detached bungalows with huge driveways. Ample extra parking is available in the side streets. This isn't even a Roseburn situation, there are no businesses or high density housing. These people are campaigning against something that has no discernible impact.

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  30. wee folding bike
    Member

    The graveyard is the dead centre of town.

    In the late '70s my school bus went into town on that road. There was a wee bit of a hold up after the graveyard but nothing huge and in those days there was a hospital on that road and a cattle market where the Morrisons is now.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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