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  • Started 8 years ago by Murun Buchstansangur
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  1. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Seriously?

    https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/pipe/news/uk/fears-that-road-etiquette-could-be-lost-with-introduction-of-driverless-cars/

    Be still my aching sides - the gems just keep coming:

    "75% of motorists fear the new technology will be incapable of good manners on the road, with some concerned this may even lead to accidents and delays."

    "More than a quarter of participants were also concerned that driverless cars will be less likely to be considerate to pedestrians or use the horn to alert other drivers to situations coming up ahead"

    "When asked about which Highway Code rules most needed updating, 42% said the requirement for drivers to always have both hands on the steering wheel is less important with modern cruise control and automatic parking technology." Uh-huh? So the other hand can hold a phone?

    "A third of people also said that advanced sat-navs in most cars means rules around distractions such as reading maps or playing loud music while driving need to be re-evaluated ."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Doesn't look like the 'etiquette' will change much, if at all...

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    Self-Driving Mercedes Will Be Programmed To Sacrifice Pedestrians To Save The Driver

    Mercedes gets around the moral issues of self-driving cars by deciding that—of course—drivers are more important than anyone else.

    https://www.fastcoexist.com/3064539/self-driving-mercedes-will-be-programmed-to-sacrifice-pedestrians-to-save-the-driver

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. nobrakes
    Member

    Six accidents at one spot on the A7 in recent weeks - I will take a driverless car over the commuter lunacy that ensues on this road any time. I can't wait for this technology to mature.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    From the Merc article...

    Say the car is spinning out of control, and on course to hit a crowd queuing at a bus stop. It can correct its course, but in doing so, it'll kill a cyclist for sure. What does it do?

    Except that the self-driving car won't be spinning out of control in the first place, because it isn't being driven by an aggressive idiot. Instead it is continuously monitoring grip, weather conditions, surrounding objects and taking corners with plenty of margin. As well as taking into account all these factors way more frequently and diligently than any human could.

    So, just the usual bogus argument about self-driving cars.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. acsimpson
    Member

    It's a bit of a contradiction anyway.
    "spinning out of control ... It can correct its course killing"

    killing someone is hardly correcting it's course. More pedantically if it's out of control how can it correct it's course anyway.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. jdanielp
    Member

    @edd1e_h exactly. By far the most likely scenario (in the short term) involving a driverless vehicle having to make a decision about what to try and avoid will be when it is being shunted by an out of control non-driverless vehicle.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. DaveC
    Member

    driverLess_etiquette()

    if $anotherDriverLessCar == cutsIn()
    {
    TootHorn()
    } else {
    RamThem()
    }

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Just spotted this latest stuff - in truth, the original article with the Mercedes guy's full quotes are more interesting than the histrionic clickbait stuff which is full of spinning cars etc (let's face it, the AI isn't going to be omniscient, once you are far enough outside 'normal' parameters I imagine the electronics response to a dynamically unstable spinning situation would be similar to Airbus' abnormal attitude law, effectively slam on the brakes and allow driver input - if controls are still fitted?)

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/self-driving-mercedes-will-prioritize-occupant-safety-over-pedestrians/

    Snippets below, but I recommend reading the whole thing:

    "The technology is new, but the moral conundrum isn’t: A self-driving car identifies a group of children running into the road. There is no time to stop. To swerve around them would drive the car into a speeding truck on one side or over a cliff on the other, bringing certain death to anybody inside."

    "Pedestrian or other external victims’ lawyers will be expected to argue that their loved ones had been murdered by robots, while dead occupants’ lawyers might argue they’d been murdered, while doing nothing wrong, by the very machine they’d bought to protect them. The automaker is going to get sued one way or the other, much as human drivers get sued regularly today for the decisions they make. To get around some of this issue, Mercedes-Benz’s German rival Audi says it will assume full legal responsibility for any crashes or fatalities from its first Level 3 self-driving car, next year’s A8 sedan. Swedish carmaker Volvo has already said it will take up the same legal position when it begins selling self-driving cars in 2020."

    "A study released at midyear by Science magazine didn’t clear the air, either. The majority of the 1928 people surveyed thought it would be ethically better for autonomous cars to sacrifice their occupants rather than crash into pedestrians. Yet the majority also said they wouldn’t buy autonomous cars if the car prioritized pedestrian safety over their own. Which would seem to cut through the issue for anyone whose goal is to sell cars."

    “This moral question of whom to save: 99 percent of our engineering work is to prevent these situations from happening at all. We are working so our cars don’t drive into situations where that could happen and [will] drive away from potential situations where those decisions have to be made.”

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. sallyhinch
    Member

    Some of these questions around driverless cars are serving to bring into focus the weird attitudes we have to actual driven cars, where there seems to be almost no fault attached to the driver even when someone dies.

    Here's a thought experiment: take almost any report of a road death, and change it to a driverless car. Watch the ginormous fuss as every clickbait columnist demands that these death robots be removed from our roads. Then announce that, oh, sorry, the car was in fact being driven by a person who was running a bit late to pick up their kids, as you were. Stand back and watch the cognitive dissonance jam the cogs in people's brains.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. DrAfternoon
    Member

    A good AI or human driver (or cyclist) would have spotted the potentially errant children ahead of time and slow down in anticipation, but if it did get to this situation, I'd say the fairest compromise would be to maintain course but hit the brakes to at least reduce collision velocity, with risk of being hit from behind.

    Driverless cars will also have better capacity to communicate with each other, which should produce far better etiquette.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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