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Brompton buying advice needed.

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  • Started 8 years ago by biketrain
  • Latest reply from Roibeard

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  1. biketrain
    Member

    I am off to Biketrax later to have a look, as I think I may be able to purchase a Brompton on the bike to work scheme.

    Any advice would be greatly received.

    I have only ridden a Brompton once, courtesy of Kaputnik at a ‘Do my lumens look big in this’ event.

    My daily commute is between Carrick knowe and Ravelston, so a combination of smooth off road cycle route, quite back roads and a climb up Coltbrigde Terrace or Ormidale Terrace. I would be riding right through the winter as well.

    Thanks

    Biketrain

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    "My daily commute is between Carrick knowe and Ravelston"

    If that is the extent of your intended Brompton riding, it might not be the optimum bike - unless you have to park it next to your desk(?)

    Generally Bromptons can handle anything a hybrid would, main limitation is gears, not really low enough for steep hills.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Main 'problem' is deciding on colour -

    (And shape of handlebars and a few other things...)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Stickman
    Member

    C2W scheme limit is £1000 - aren't Bromptons more than that?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. fimm
    Member

    I have a Brompton. I use it for a bike-train-bike commute. It is great for that. I also use it as my utility bike around town and it is fine for that.

    I would advise you to get the rack as it makes it much more stable when it is stood up (or folded). I'd also get the mount for the luggage bag at the front - that's where I carry most of my stuff, I just use the rack to carry things on odd occasions.

    What else would you like to know?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. biketrain
    Member

    For logistical reasons I drive to children to school, park the car and then unfold my Dahon and cycle to work the 3 miles to work. This has these advantage of being quicker, healthier, free and I do not have the hastle of finding a parking space at work or at school pickup time.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Roibeard
    Member

    For the gears, it's possible to have them downrated which I specified (for my wife's sake, you understand) and now enjoy on a regular basis.

    It's a bit of a thoroughbred for hacking all year commuting - I feel a bit bad that I've not repaired my "commuter" quickly enough and subjected the Brompton to thousands of unnecessary winter miles, but I've not regretted it!

    I second fimm's endorsement of it as a utility bike - mudguards and luggage point would be my hot tips. A front bag/basket will probably get more use than the rack, although I've used the rack too.

    If you wish to push the boat out, a dynamo is perfect for a utility bike - we've found the Brompton is always the handy bike, no unlocking, lights always attached and "charged", adjustment for different riders limited to raising the seatpost, which is already required to unfold...

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. fimm
    Member

    I don't have a dynamo on mine - one thing to note about having battery powered lights is that you may have to take them off every time you fold the thing up.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. biketrain
    Member

    Thanks for all the advice. Just one more question.
    Can you fit a ortlieb pannier on the rear rack?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. fimm
    Member

    A standard ortlieb? No, I wouldn't have thought so, it would be too long (the wheels are very small...). Also I think you might get wheel strike.
    Someone on CycleChat got a Brompton and bought a frame that went on the front luggage rack and then attached a conventional pannier to that.

    One other thing to note - all things Brompton are expensive! :-)

    Edited again to add: it wasn't an ortlieb, it was a Carradice. Photos in this thread...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Roibeard
    Member

    There is an Ortlieb for the front luggage block, but it's specific to that. Conventional panniers won't fit the rear, however Ben (Kinetics) in Glasgow do a pannier rack for the front luggage block.

    This is bespoke engineering so also not cheap!

    Brompton Pannier Rack

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Biketrain, more than happy to chat about Bromptons offline. Mine is somewhat customised but still rides like a Brompton.

    You can carry regular panniers using the Kinetics front rack. Ben and I made the prototype and I use it a lot. Ben is also designing a folding rear rack for carrying panniers. Or you can get a Brompton front bag frame and attach a saddlebag or a single pannier to it.

    I would recommend a hub dynamo and a B&M headlamp, with LEDs as backup lights, but that would also push the price beyond the Cycle to Work limit.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Roibeard
    Member

    *Ninja'd the designer*

    Do I get bonus points for that?

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Ben and I made the prototype"

    The bikest people hang out on CCE.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. sallyhinch
    Member

    Echo what others have said - get the rack for stability (and the EZ wheels) but don't expect to carry anything on it. I have the Brompton folding basket for the front of mine and can then chuck any bag I like into it. It handles a bit less skittishly with a bit of weight on the front too.

    One thing to be aware of is the drivetrain is very close to the ground, so if you're cycling on dirt you will chuck a lot of crud into the chain, cogs, derailleur etc. and it will suffer so either be meticulous about cleaning it, or stick to tarmac.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Ed1
    Member

    C2W scheme limit is £1000 - aren't Bromptons more than that?

    The Brompton M1e Is “only” £800 but as no gears possibly as much use as fitting wheels to a tomato.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. wee folding bike
    Member

    I rarely carry anything on the back but it does allow you to turn the bike into a trolley at the supermarket. I put the message bag on the front, fill it with stuff and then go to the self scan. It might work even better with the hand scanner things but, according to the hilarious Tesco ad, you need to make various puns as you shop.

    Bike shops are often happy to let you extend the value of the cycle to work scheme.

    There are 4 types of handlebar. I like S but you can't use the message bag on that kind (well not officially). The H is like M for taller people.

    I have a 2 and some 6 speeds. It's easier to swap 2 <-> 6 if you change your mind as they both use the derailleur. The 3 uses a simpler chain tensioner. There isn't much weight penalty with the 6 compared to a 3. The 3 has few bits but a narrower range.

    If you're using it for getting around all year the generator hubs make this easier. The supplied back light will break, it's just a question of when. The super cap breaks off and the stand light function fails.

    Tyres, chains and sprockets will wear out more quickly than on a cumbersome bike. Cables fail because of the bending when folding and the U bend on the front cable will get damp and can freeze.

    A bag to put it in can be handy.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. remberbuck
    Member

    While some bike shops may be content to extend the total value of your package beyond £1,000, the tax saving is restricted to £1,000. Those that do go beyond tend to allow the excess for accessories only as valuation of parts of the package at the end of the hire period becomes messy.

    Worth remembering that everything you acquire remains property of your employer during the hire period even if some of your own funds are supplied.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    @remberbuck, fair points. I was intrigued when bike to work first appeared as you could buy Lycra, waterproofs etc which can have negligible resale value.

    I wonder If anyone has ever paid to extract themselves from the scheme Before the end of payments? Or handed back the bike before all payments? City of ed council let you stay in the scheme until there is nothing of worth ascribed to the bike, I think it is five years. Not sure what the implication is as the payments are over a much shorter time and you can get another bike in the scheme whilst remaining in the scheme for the previous bike. Quite a bit I don't follow but I have no more hooks left in my garage for anymore bikes.

    I do have a Brompton if bike train wants to cycle it into waverely to really get a feel of the little tiger?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. wee folding bike
    Member

    I got an M6R on the scheme 3 years ago and they didn't ask for anything after the year was up, they didn't even contact us. The scheme ran again last year. The management might have been upset if I got another one so soon.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. twinspark
    Member

    I think just about everything to say has been said by the hive mind - however one thought may be to get for example a basic mudguard free M handlebarred Brompron with 6 gears and Swhwalbe Marathons for £985 (this price covers both the -12% and +8% gearing options) - £20 less if you go with the standard kevlar tyre because you want to fit something else like Marathon Pluses.... and get that within the Cycle to Work Scheme limit Of £1,000 and then add on the accessories of mud guards, rear rack, front luggage block etc. etc. outwith the scheme? I've found with my Brompton bought 2nd hand - it is fully upgradeable as parts wear out or funds become available. Downside of course is if you do want the dynamo lights however you could possibly do a deal with the dealer over that to creatively avoid paying full list for a front wheel and being left with a "spare" standard front wheel (which you could probably sell on e-Bay / Gumtree anyway?)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Arellcat
    Moderator

    As someone who administers (administrates?) a cycle to work scheme for their employer, I ought to point out that, as remberbuck suggested upthread, the employer retains the right to retain the bike at the end of the hire period. That these schemes are contrived precisely to enable you to buy the bike at the end is kind of beside the point – but this is why finangling a remarkably expensive pair of pedals or luggage block or whatever is not risk-free. And you would technically be liable to pay tax on the bits of bike that made it cost more* than £1000.

    But people do it, and I would venture that there are better ways for an employer to go about building up a fleet of pool bikes than to end up with a motley selection of sizes and types. Perhaps I'll look at retaining just the Bromptons that people hire. ;-)

    I wonder if anyone has ever paid to extract themselves from the scheme before the end of payments? Or handed back the bike before all payments?

    I think the only way to do that would be to leave your employer. You have to sign a contract, after all. And then you'd probably find that the entire outstanding balance was taken out of your final paycheck. I don't know if anyone ever did that voluntarily, unless the bike was a really poor fit or something.

    * This is why I dislike the HMRC arrangement, because while a grand still buys you a very nice bike for riding to work, that certain bikes, like Bromptons, are leaping up in price year on year means they are becoming close to unaffordable within the bounds of the scheme. I'm disappointed that HMRC hasn't seen fit to tie the scheme limit to the RPI.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. gkgk
    Member

    The interesting buying choice, I think, is whether to get a colour or not - on the website, black is £60 cheaper, but the colours look awful nice when I see them outside Sainsburys!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. gembo
    Member

    The Brompton nickel looks lovely too. Is it made of titanium?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. Roibeard
    Member

    The Brompton nickel looks lovely too. Is it made of titanium?

    The main frame is nickel plated, so you've the option of black extremities (rear triangle, fork and handlebar stems), or you can spec the rear triangle and fork as titanium ("superlight" version). Presumably if you spec the Ti version, you could have any handlebar stem colour you prefer!).

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #

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