Maybe we could save money and swap that now unrequired toucan with the missing one at Balgreen Road?
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Craigleith cycle access restrictions
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Posted 8 years ago #
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In the description of CEC Core Path 9, it says:
"Near Davidson’s Mains it follows a disused railway through to Craigleith Retail Park"
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/63/edinburghs_core_path_plan.pdf
Of course it is debatable whether this means the core path continues into Craigleith Retail Park, but it may be worth taking up with the CEC Access Officer? Especially given the spend on the Toucan.
All Edinburgh Core Paths allow cycling, as far as I am aware.
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Certainly against the spirit, if not the letter of the "law".
Sainsbury's really need to cut down some of the green wuzzy by the narrow bit, open up the path as properly shared use (or better, segregated) and put signs up to describe how bikes can safely and happily get from the NEPN to their bike park.
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Not a core path, but a 'cycle facilites off-road' according to the council atlas.
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"Near Davidson’s Mains it follows a disused railway through to Craigleith Retail Park"
If Craigleith Retail Park's management claim that the path is nothing to do with them presumably you haven't arrived at Craigleith Retail Park until you have left Sainsbury's Land.
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I phoned the Sainsbury's store. They tried to say it was Council responsibility, but promised to look into it and get back, when I insisted that both the Council and Retail Park were saying that it wasn't them. I'll post when I hear.
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Well, somebody must've put them up. How can it be a mystery?
Posted 8 years ago # -
A quick check of the comprehensive Scottish land ownership database should answer this question easily and swiftly.
Oh.
Does anyone know how many contractors there are in Edinburgh who would do that sort of work? How much time would it take to ring round them all?!
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There's not a "Property of ______" sticker on the back of them, is there?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Time line clue?
I last shopped at Craigleith Sainsury on 13 Sept (late evening) and noticed the blue "Cyclists Dismount sign". Wondered if I'd been cycling past it for months without noticing.
I along Craigleith path today and noticed there is now the round Highway Code circle for "no cycling" above the blue sign. I'm pretty certain that wasn't there on the 13th, so so this addition was put up on later date! (Not 100% certain, but pretty confident the second sign wasn't there on first date!)
Not sure that helps much, but does show someone must have got ladder out on two different days to put up signage.
So someone must own this action!
Posted 8 years ago # -
Albert! Bobby! For gods sake burn it down!
Posted 8 years ago # -
Okay, got to the bottom of this.
Sainsbury's told me that it was them who put up the signs, most likely on the authority of the store manager or deputy store manager. (I was speaking to a help desk type person so there was no point in arguing the toss, but she had gone to the trouble to find out and get back to me.)
The reason was that the store had been informed that a child had nearly been knocked down and there had been previous complaints about some cyclists going too fast, and they had a duty of care to the public.
She did not have any information about the number of complaints. She acknowledged that there had also been complaints about the signs but the store's line was that "the duty of care" overrode those.
You can imagine the discussion about possible litigation that lead to this.
I wonder how many children have been nearly knocked down (or even actually knocked down) in the car park.
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So... they aren't legal then.
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I expect they're not legal. Can you just buy these signs of the shelf?
I can understand the paranoid anxiety that the store manager will have suffered because they won't ever have had to think through these issues before so the kneejerk reaction will be to stop the cycling. They need educating that perhaps a more appropriate sign might actually work better and not deter their cycling customers.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I cycled "car route" in and out today. Not liking all those horrid nobbly thangs in the road. That's not good for cycling. :(
Posted 8 years ago # -
I suspect british legion would sell you TRSGD legal road signs without much trouble if you approached as the store manager of a major supermarket.
Assuming the story is right and the signs are as a result of one incident, maybe a trip down from a SPOKES rep or similar to discuss positive improvements to the path wouldn't go a miss. A drop of tar to widen it out isn't going to cost the earth.
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There is bags of space to put in a proper path. They just haven't bothered.
Posted 8 years ago # -
maybe a trip down from a SPOKES rep or similar
SPOKES are just a group of volunteers. They are not an all-powerful lobby group as some would believe.
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Indeed, I've come to learn that recently. But they're outwardly organised and carry a good image.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Not liking all those horrid nobbly thangs in the road
Was thinking that they have these in Sainsbury's Meadowbank and Straiton too. Maybe Sainsbury's as the anchor tenant has more say in the access specifications of its stores than it's keen to let on.
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Not liking all those horrid nobbly thangs in the road
Seems to be a Sainsbury standard; there's a London store I visit exactly the same.
There's a line of flat brick paviours about 9 inches wide on each side of these cattle grids. That's the cycle access provided then.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Sigh.
Disappointed but not surprised that the following equation seems to apply, as usual:
cycles on shared use = dangerous
motor vehicles in car park = customersPosted 8 years ago # -
Think the brick things are extremely lo-fi trolley anti-theft devices. They don't work judging by the frequency of abandoned trolleys on the Blackhall path.
Bax's pic made me do a double take - wearing an old school life preserver in a public place these days would get you terminated by the police with extreme prejudice!
Posted 8 years ago # -
Sainsburys must have a huge budget for maintaining their car parks.
At Sainsburys Gorgie: the tarmac has been relaid (twice); all the sets relaid; countless and mostly unnecessary signage erected; little wooden fences added; bollards; lines repainted.
See: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15354
And in little over a year, half of the signs and bits of the wooden fencing have already been destroyed by motons.
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Sainsburys must have a huge budget for maintaining their car parks."
Meadowbank got an extra wee bump-strip thing on the shop side of their car-park-entrance-most lumpity brick thing a couple of months ago.
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Sainsbury Meadowbank also just repainted all their white lines. (without removing the old ones, leading to some comedy parking spaces on the far side where spacings have changed).
The new bump strip is very "severe". Very funny watching the lowered boyracers trying to get over it to make it to the KFC Drive-through.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Sainsbury's Gorgie also put little hi-vis collars on all the bollards at the Gorgie Road entrance. I assume there had been an incident with a bollard having insufficient situational awareness. I keep meaning to take a photo.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Hi,
Maybe a wee bit of progress on this. Without realising this thread existed, I contacted Sainbury's (who own the land), the retail park manager, and the Council. The Council are concerned that their route into the retail park has been compromised, and have been in touch with Sainsburys. The deputy manager at Sainsbury's has been in touch with me, with quite a sympathetic and conciliatory response:
"The sign requesting cyclists to dismount was erected in an attempt to resolve the issue which the local residents spokesman addressed with the store manager. Our FM department erected the only sign available to them,
You correctly state that the City of Edinburgh Council has been in contact with us and hopefully, in the not to distant future we will have a solution which is respectful of both pedestrians and cyclists."
I have been in contact with Spokes and I think Sainsbury's would be keen to meet cycling representatives to move forward on this.
Good to know we're not always banging heads on brick walls! Fingers crossed.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Well done.
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