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Scottish Budget - Cycling

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  • Started 14 years ago by Morningsider
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  1. Morningsider
    Member

    The Scottish Budget for 2011-12 shows an increase in the "Support for Sustainable and Active Travel" budget line from £21.2m this year to £25.1m next year.

    However, the accompanying text states "The budget for sustainable and active travel invests in the infrastructure which will allow the use of electric and other low carbon vehicles across Scotland, delivers the actions in the Cycling Action Plan for Scotland and facilitates active travel choices. This budget also includes funding for the next phase of the low carbon vehicle procurement support scheme".

    So, it isn't clear whether cycle funding is up, down or the same. The fact that an increase isn't being trumpeted makes me think it will be the same or less.

    Local government is taking a half billion pound hit - which does not bode well for cycling. The Forth Bridge gets the go ahead though...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Cycling mentions in A Low Carbon Economic Strategy for Scotland - http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1679#post-16838

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. LaidBack
    Member

    The Forth Bridge gets the go ahead though...

    That's an 'untouchable scheme' from what I can work out...

    More tarmac usually wins votes so I'd be surprised if the Holyrood opposition would cancel (apart from Greens).

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  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    A mention buried in the Forest Enterprise budget under Rural Affairs and the Environment;

    unveil Scotland's new premier mountain biking centre in the Tweed Valley

    It took me a while to find the transport budget. Apparently it's now called "Finance and Sustainable Growth". I counted the word "cycling" in it twice. The words "bike", "cycle", "bicycle" didn't appear at all.

    The words "road" and "sustainable" appeared c. 35 / 32 times respectively in various permetations. A contradiction in terms?

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  5. DdF
    Member

    Budget first thoughts. Note I am speculating quite a lot, as not clear on all the facts, let alone their implications. Have prepared these initial notes for various people - feedback welcomed.

    NB - For current main sources of cycling investment [up to 2010/11] see table on page 7 of Spokes Bulletin 108
    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/bulletin/

    1. CWSS fund scrapped I think [can't see any mention of it - please tell me if I am wrong!!] If so, that will be a huge loss - currently the second biggest source of cycling invesment in Scotland.
    In relation to Edinburgh Cycling Action Plan, for example, http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5151976148/in/set-72157625200725333/

    Even worse, I believe that CWSS is also used by many councils to provide the match-funding required to receive Sustrans grants, so the less enthusiastic councils as a result may well now not even get Sustrans money as these councils won't be willing to provide match funding from other sources [West Lothian council cycle officer specifically raised this issue in questions with the head of Transport Scotland at the recent Cycling Scotland conference, as they could well be one such case].

    2. Sustainable and Active Travel budget line up from £21.2m this year to £25.1m next year. I can't work that one out. This budget line was £11.2m last year. I presume they are adding to that the Barnet Consequentials which the Scottish Govt allocated to Sustainable and Active Travel part way through the year, to give the total of £21.2m??? From memory the BCs were around £10m, of which £3.9(?)m went to cycling under CAPS.

    This budget line is the main source of the Sustrans grant, which is currently the largest source of cycling investment in Scotland.

    Obviously if it is a genuine rise in the budget line, that is very good, but how will it be allocated (especially if CWSS is definitely scrapped) and what will be the split between cycling, 'low carbon' cars, buses, etc??

    3. Council's own capital (i.e. excluding special funds like CWSS, Sustrans) - has been third biggest source of cycling investment in last 2 years. Since council capital is (I think) falling significantly, cycling investment again likely to be badly hit.

    4. Climate Challenge fund - has provided a bit of funding to community based cycle projects (eg spokes storage project and Bike Stn), so if it is continuing and rising slightly (??£9.3m up to £10.3m??) that is good. However, as a proportion of total cycling investment it is very small.

    5. New infrastructure projects fund under Scottish Futures Trust - as far as I can see nothing on cycling investment in this. Would be a fantastic opportunity to include a new bidding fund for councils, RTPs, and others to bid for significant local capital projects on cycling and walking. But looks like Scot Govt continues to see cycling as a very low-level matter, not for inclusion in serious investment packages.

    SUMMARY FOR CYCLING INVESTMENT - item 1 above very serious loss; 3 quite serious; 2 and 4 probably slightly positive.
    OVERALL - very likely to be a serious fall in cycling investment in Scotland

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. smsm1
    Member

    Will you be able to cycle across the new Forth Bridge?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. LaidBack
    Member

    Will you be able to cycle across the new Forth Bridge?

    No. The old Forth Bridge will be able to carry up to 10,000 cyclists an hour though. Plus some buses.

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Scottish Budget: Roads spend up by £32m, Rail spend down by £41m, commitment to tackling climate change unclear. http://bit.ly/cNEYRu
    "

    Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/TransformScot/status/4991680923049986

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. smsm1
    Member

    So the old bridge will be staying until further notice?

    Sorry, I'm a little out of touch with the plans for the new Forth Crossing as I've been just hearing little bits here and there, and down here in London things in Scotland unfortunately pretty much don't matter so you don't hear about them as much unless it's really big news.

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  10. Morningsider
    Member

    I would call out the Scottish Government for making misleading claims, so it's only fair to do the same for Transform Scotland.

    The total Motorways and Trunk Road budget increases by £13.5m and not £32m. Take out the extra £170m being spent on the Forth Crossing in 2011-12 compared with 2010-11 and the trunk road budget actually falls considerably due to cuts in maintenance, improvement and capital/lands budgets. Not that I support the new Forth Crossing I should add.

    The rail budget only falls due to the completion of the Airdrie-Bathgate line and the end of the Rail Small Programmes budget. Network Rail actually gets an extra £95.1m in 2011-12 and First Group £15.7m less - which is good given they will be running more trains next year.

    Honestly, I don't think Transform Scotland are doing themselves any favours by producing figures which even I can question.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. Colin Howden
    Member

    Hello "Morningsider":

    What part of my quote "Capital spending on roads has increased by £32m" is incorrect?

    See p.98 of the Draft Budget: 'DEL Capital' rises from £313.1m to £345.0m.

    It would be helpful if you would check your facts before asserting that others make "misleading claims".

    Cheers
    Colin Howden
    Director, Transform Scotland

    PS And, by the way, wouldn't it better if more folk used these real names on these forums rather than hiding behind pseudonyms?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. I would presume that Morningsider was also taking into account the DEL Resource dropping by 18.4M?

    And where's the fun in using your real name? ;)

    Actually, on a serious point, I've never thought of it as 'hiding' behind pseudonyms on worldwide fora, it genuinely is just a bit of fun - does knowing someone's real name make what they are saying more or less valid?

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  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    PS And, by the way, wouldn't it better if more folk used these real names on these forums rather than hiding behind pseudonyms?

    Who's hiding? I could put my real name down but instead of being "some guy who lives in Edinburgh and cycles a lot and has opinions and things to say about it, who some people might recognise on a bike (but probably not walking down the road) and posts on a forum" i'd be "some guy who lives in Edinburgh and cycles a lot and has opinions and things to say about it, who some people might recognise on a bike (but probably not walking down the road) but posts under a slightly different name".

    I don't think changing the name I post under would mean my "opinions" are any more less or less valid*

    Part of the attraction of an informal forum like this is that people are at liberty to reveal as much or as little about themselves as they are comfortable with so long as they play within the rules.

    *for opinions read "random, often ill-informed musings

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  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Part of the attraction of an informal forum like this is that people are at liberty to reveal as much or as little about themselves as they are comfortable with so long as they play within the rules."

    I'll go with that.

    "*for opinions read "random, often ill-informed musings"

    And that!

    Perhaps need new topic...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. Testing a theory:

    My username is 'anth at work'
    The Earth is flat

    My real name is Anthony Robson
    The Earth is flat

    Hah! I'll bet you all thought I was a crackpot till that second opinion* eh?

    *see Kaputnik's definition of 'opinion'.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  16. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Just don't test that theory by asserting that wearing h*****s makes cycling safer / less safe!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  17. Morningsider
    Member

    Hello Colin - thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I never claimed that you had used incorrect figures. I said that you had made "misleading claims". I stand by this assertion for the following reasons:

    Your press release states:

    "Capital spending on roads has increased by £32m while rail will decrease by over £41m"

    You are comparing an increase in the roads capital budget with a fall in the rail revenue and capital budgets. I consider this to be misleading.

    Also, you do not explain why these cuts are happening. The grant to First for running ScotRail services falls by £15.7m even though they will run more trains. It is too simplistic to claim all falls in the rail budget are a bad thing.

    In addition, you highlight the £31.9m increase in the roads capital budget without mentioning the £18.4m reduction in roads revenue budget. I think this gives a misleading picture as to overall expenditure on roads next year.

    As to using a screen name. You are in the fortunate position of working for a sustainable transport charity and can comment freely on this matter. I am not in that position, but hopefully my contributions add something to the forum.

    Look - I agree with the aims of Transform Scotland, but think you have painted a misleading picture of an element of the Scottish budget in this press release. I am sorry if you are upset by my previous post but I stand by the views expressed.

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  18. Colin Howden
    Member

    Hello Morningsider:

    Well I'm glad that someone reads our news releases!

    But I don't think there's an error in the numbers we used:

    1. Capital spend for roads (p.98 of the Budget) increases from £313.1m to £345.0m: an increase of £31.9m.

    2. Capital spend for rail (p.102) falls from £400.7m to £359.0m: a decrease of £41.7m.

    3. I'm aware that the roads revenue budget falls (£18.4m, from £231.0m to £212.6m) but this is accompanied by a fall in the rail revenue budget (£21.7m, from £442.1m to £420.4m).

    4. The overall impact is that the roads budget increases by £13.5m and the rail budget falls by £63.4m. (We could have, and perhaps should have (given that the disparity is more stark), used those figures in our news release – but the point we were try to make was about new road-building, and in particular the proposed Second Forth Road Bridge.)

    Hence I think your further statement "You are comparing an increase in the roads capital budget with a fall in the rail revenue and capital budgets. I consider this to be misleading." is itself incorrect. (And, by the way, your initial post say that we had made a "misleading claim".)

    As for the content:

    1. We have repeatedly given evidence saying that priority should be given to road maintenance over new road-building. We got the Independent Budget Review to adopt our recommendation on this – but the Government has ignored this in its Budget & instead cut road maintenance spend so it can instead fund its daft pet project.

    2. We too suspected that the rail capital spending fell at least in part because the Airdrie-Bathgate Rail Link project was nearing completion, although I don't think this is expressly stated in the Budget document. Perhaps you have the inside track on this?

    3. I've no idea why the ScotRail franchise cost falls. This could be a good thing (cost savings) - or it could just mean that we should expect fewer/worse rail services. I'll see if I can find out.

    4. In simple 'road vs. rail' capital spend terms, the Government could have chosen to fund the Borders Railway from its available capital. Instead it has chosen to fund the Second Forth Road Bridge.

    5. You should try and write all of this into a quote that has any prospect of being used in the press!

    I'd be happy to continue this correspondence if you still think we are using incorrect figures, or, as you initially stated, are making "misleading claims". (We'll be leading some of this as evidence to the Parliament – so the scrutiny is welcome.)

    But, rather, and especially given that this is a cycling forum, I think we'd be better spent worrying about the possible death of the 'Cycling, Walking and Safer Streets' (CWSS) funds – as, without that, things are going to get much worse for cycle investment.

    Cheers
    Colin

    Posted 14 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
    Member

    Aside from arguing about budgets I do worry about the painfully slow progress of non-car related improvements.

    Typical case study would be the western side of Edinburgh around Gogar and how we now have the M8 and bypass and Gogar fly-under. Plus the SG have managed to build the missing link to old Forth Bridge.

    Many people support these schemes as they rarely travel by public transport or cycle and feel that their car is not reaching its full potential!

    In the 10-15 years that all these miles of concrete and tar were put down only Edinburgh Park station in the west and Real Time bus indicators were used to improve the lot of public transport. A better policy may have have been to increase rail capacity and electrify into Fife. (They could have used the land the tram uses for extra rail track.)

    The Second Forth Bridge will seem logical to those who rarely go out without their car. How on earth we hope to fit all this traffic at either end is a question they can't answer. No doubt the tram will be sold as a park and ride if airport traffic isn't high enough.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  20. wee folding bike
    Member

    I teach in a Glasgow school. Sometimes I make comments which I might not want pupils to know about. This is not because there is anything wrong with these comments but I try to avoid telling pupils what I think, I'd rather they work out things for themselves. Accordingly I don't use my real name here or on other web pages.

    Well I do on Slashdot and the Brompton talk mailing list but the chance of kids reading either of those is slim.

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  21. PS
    Member

    3. I've no idea why the ScotRail franchise cost falls. This could be a good thing (cost savings) - or it could just mean that we should expect fewer/worse rail services. I'll see if I can find out.

    I suspect ScotRail's franchise subsidy cost has fallen because that's what ScotRail agreed in the extension to their franchise when that was agreed a couple of years ago. It'll a bit of a punt by First, but will probably be based on a combination of increased revenue and decreased costs.

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  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Typical case study would be the western side of Edinburgh around Gogar and how we now have the M8 and bypass and Gogar fly-under

    And we're only getting Gogar station as a fudged compromise following cancellation of the EARL - the pedestrian underpass for which is going to be a bike-free zone and closed out of station hours. They've also had the perfectly good Fastlink (which was very sensible and made bus travel to the Gyle the fastest way to get there) sitting abandoned and partly covered in tracks for approaching 2 years now, with no re-opening in sight.

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  23. PS
    Member

    Fastlink was always there as a trojan horse to prepare the ground for the tram. If only they'd extended it down Leith Walk, we'd have a full line by now...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  24. Morningsider
    Member

    Apparently the Cycling, Walking and Safer Streets budget is currently the subject of negotiations between COSLA and the Scottish Government - it is one of only two ring-fenced budgets allocated to local authorities by the Scottish Government. There may be an announcement on its future as early as today.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    I'm being told that Spokes (and other NGOs) have been lobbying heavily on this, but it's political/financial.

    COSLA isn't keen on ring fencing - neither is the SNP government which has 'freed up' LAs to decide how to allocate most of their income. (So it's perhaps surprising that the CWSS money is still separate.)

    So it's about politics and cash rather than the needs of people who walk/cycle (most people).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  26. PS
    Member

    "Sustrans Scotland warns that years of progress risk being undone following budget"

    John Lauder, director of Sustrans Scotland, commented: “The £4 million increase to sustainable transport is bad news disguised as good news."

    Click ye here

    Posted 14 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Posted with permission

    "
    Date: 18 November 2010 13:54
    Subject: Future of CWSS fund
    To: alison.hay@argyll-bute.gov.uk

    Dear Cllr Hay

    I am writing from Spokes on the above. CWSS was not mentioned in John Swinney's budget yesterday, and I understand that it may be discussed at a COSLA meeting tomorrow, Friday. If that understanding is correct, I would urge that COSLA supports retention of this fund.

    You will be aware of the Spokes annual survey of cycling investment from all main sources in Scotland. The latest summary results are on the attached page 7 from our recent Spokes Bulletin no.108.

    STABILITY OF FUNDING

    CWSS has been the most consistent and reliable source of cycling investment over the past decade; whereas other sources have fallen and risen with alarming rapidity depending on the vagaries of who was the current Transport Minister, with alternating additions and cuts to Sustrans, arrival and removal of RTP capital, abolition of the Public Transport Fund, etc, etc. Whilst those other sources are very valuable, and in some years much exceed the CWSS level, they would be much less effective without a stable basic investment budget.

    In our annual survey one of the greatest pleas from council cycle officers is to know in advance what funding will be available, so they can have some stability and consistency in planning - schemes involving consultation, road orders, etc, normally need 1-3 years. The second plea of council cycling officers is continuation of a ring-fenced basic cycling/walking investment budget. Many of them will be devastated if the main backbone of stable cycling investment funding is scrapped. Indeed, at the recent Cycling Scotland conference that was the very first question, from a local authority cycling officer, to Transport Scotland chief exec David Middleton.

    VALUE OF CWSS FUNDING

    The government in its CAPS initiative has set a target of 10% of trips to be by bike by 2020, but this cannot be achieved without the enthusiastic cooperation of councils, where most of the action takes place. Cycling infrastructure to make local cycling journeys feel and be safe and welcoming is vital, as we have seen for example in Edinburgh, which has doubled commuter cycle use in the last decade thanks to improved infrastructure. In the report on their recent Active Travel Action Plan Edinburgh Council states that "any withdrawal of CWSS funding is likely to have serious implications ... the cycling targets are unlikely to be met."

    Secondly, many councils use CWSS as match-funding, often to double the level of investment - for example, partnering with Sustrans, British Waterways, and many other funding sources.

    Thirdly, although the primary objective is to provide cycling infrastructure and promotion, this is also a very jobs-intensive use of capital as compared to larger scale investments such as roads where much more of the funding goes into machinery and materials. Regrettably, when government speaks of the jobs value of capital investment, it often only applies that to big high-publicity schemes. If instead we were to look at jobs per £ invested then small capital schemes such as cycling infrastructure would surely move much further up the priority ladder.

    Thank you for reading these brief points, obviously written in haste given the immediate timescale, but which I hope you will be able to take account of in your decision-making

    Yours Sincerely
    Dave du Feu
    for Spokes
    '

    Posted 14 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    CWSS money seems likely to continue.

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1868

    Posted 13 years ago #

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