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"Free WiFi for city centre in time for Christmas"

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  1. chdot
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    He said: “The new free WiFi service across the city centre will connect visitors and residents to Edinburgh on a whole new level.

    “Rather than worrying about potentially expensive mobile roaming charges, international visitors will be able to make the most of their time in the city, sharing images and posts in real time as they explore what Edinburgh has to offer.”

    ...

    IntechnologyWiFi will install and operate the WiFi network at no cost to the council, with funding provided by the UK government.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/free-wifi-for-city-centre-in-time-for-christmas-1-4273297

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. Fountainbridge
    Member

    A great way to track people through the city center.

    If you have wifi switched on, your phone broadcasts a unique number (called a MAC address). Wifi spots have about a 100m range.

    You catch a number 10 bus from Granton (free wifi) so you are first logged on the bus. Then you alight on to St Andrews square, where your phone disconnects from LRT wifi and connects to the CEC hot spot in St Andrews Square. You then walk towards Princes street where you automatically connect to the Scott Monument hot spot. You then walk along to the art galleries when you transfer to the gallery hot spot. And so on.

    All this can be done perfectly legal without any court orders etc.

    Big Brother is watching and tracking you.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    I'm pretty sure that's why tesco have free wi-fi.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. amir
    Member

    My phone's security software claims that Tesco wifi is dangerous

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    "My phone's security software claims that Tesco wifi is dangerous"

    More than other free/public wifi?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Also why Ikea offers free wifi. Think they have repeaters every 10 meters so they can see how long you spend in a particular section.

    Do people really walk around with their wifi switched on?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    I walk around with someone else's wifi turned on - that'll teach 'em. Plus - I even had a family card before I had a family!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. steveo
    Member

    Do people really walk around with their wifi switched on?

    It doesn't matter, Google and (probably) Apple never truly turn off wifi, it constantly pings around to give relatively accurate location without burning the battery on GPS.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "It doesn't matter, Google and (probably) Apple never truly turn off wifi, it constantly pings around to give relatively accurate location without burning the battery on GPS."

    Perhaps, but not conscious that GPS is a big battery drainer - esp compared with wifi pinging(?)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    Does it really matter if big shops track you? How can you avoid it? I mean they can track what you buy via your credit/debit card, loyalty card. They could potentially track you via CCTV and face recognition software.

    Should you wear a tinfoil hat & a burka at all times?

    My concern would be if a government or foreign agency got hold of that data.

    Just playing devils advocate here.

    edd1e_h runs away...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. steveo
    Member

    Perhaps, but not conscious that GPS is a big battery drainer - esp compared with wifi pinging(?)

    Turn on GPS and go for a walk round town you'll notice the battery's drop. You'll have a very accurate trace for it. Do the same without GPS and you'll still get a pretty accurate representation of your route, though probably with more straight lines and sudden jumps.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "you'll notice the battery's drop"

    Not sure if I have an app with 'live' battery monitoring (iPhone).

    I have GPS on all the time for various tracking apps and photo geotagging, battery generally lasts long enough to avoid 'recharging panic'.

    It's web browsing that does the battery draining!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. dessert rat
    Member

    the problem with the tinfoil hats is they get very hot under a helmet. Not absorbent at all.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. Klaxon
    Member

    Not just battery life, to get a GPS fix with no previous reference you need to sit for a few minutes in open air. With cell triangulation and wifi cross reference to help my phone has a high confidence value in less than 10 seconds.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. steveo
    Member

    It's web browsing that does the battery draining!

    Yeah the webs a real killer between the high drain from the screen and processor requirements.

    Actually I'm havering. I've got GPS on all the time too though not on active mode, when you fire up a tracking app like Strava then you notice the GPS.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Morningsider
    Member

    edd1e_h - call that running? Your GPS trace indicates a slow canter at best.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. fimm
    Member

    BoF says that GPS traking does not use much battery life, especially if you put your phone into aeroplane mode. GPS tracking is improving all the time: my old GPS watch took an age to connect to the GPS signal while these days my new watch connects faster than my phone (which is oldish).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. acsimpson
    Member

    fimm, is that from a cold start in a new area. If you turn it off today and on tomorrow it will start it's calculations on the assumption it hasn't moved and can then get a fix based on fewer satellites. If those first few satellites don't match where it thinks it is then it's likely to take much longer.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. acsimpson
    Member

    "Does it really matter if big shops track you? How can you avoid it? I mean they can track what you buy via your credit/debit card, loyalty card. They could potentially track you via CCTV and face recognition software.
    ...
    My concern would be if a government or foreign agency got hold of that data."

    I'm not sure there's much difference between Tesco tracking you around it's shop in order to try and increase the amount you spend with them and government tracking you around the city centre in order to increase footfall, or whatever they choose to do with the new found details. Both these organisations probably have far more personal information about me either through legal obligation or my willingness to surrender it in exchange for "Free" services.

    Any app on your phone which doesn't appear to have a stream of income (and some that do) are likely to be making their money by commoditising you. Facebook for instance stop you from accessing messages through a mobile browser in an attempt to force you to download their app so that they can then access your contacts, location and whatever else they can find on your phone.

    Google probably has a better idea of where you are then your closest family members and I'm sure can remember better where I was this time last month than I can. The offer some very useful free services using this data such as their real time traffic updates, however they are only doing this so that you keep feeding them the information. I don't know where they draw the line but I'm sure if a government agency approached them with enough money they would be happy to share a lot of (possibly anonymous data). Or alternatively start offering more targeted advertising on those large tellies which are appearing next to more and more roads.

    /EEN mode

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

  21. Fountainbridge
    Member

    I love how the advertising says to use free wifi in city centre whilst shopping. The free wifi doesn't actually cover princes street yet.

    Thud.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. mgj
    Member

    Those with teenage children who try to manage their internet usage (so they actually get something out of school) will be pleased to note that it doesn't stretch up into most residential areas yet. But I bet the Council haven't thought of that. No option to request that that devices are blocked by MAC address for example.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. jonty
    Member

    I don't know whether it's officially meant to be there yet but there's definitely been wifi coverage on at least the eastern half of Princes Street for a little while.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Edinburgh free (so we can track you) WiFi published new maps this afternoon. Shows coverage to Princes Street.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Not exactly a neat installation. Every historic lamp post on Princes Street

    161231110150IMG_7795 by Paul fae Fountainbridge, on Flickr

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Klaxon
    Member

    Unforgivably ugly

    Hopefully temporary for new year

    Should be on the tram poles like the main street lighting

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    "Should be on the tram poles like the main street lighting"

    Would the aerials not suffer from interference from the high voltage lines?

    Posted 8 years ago #

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