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  1. crowriver
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    @MediumDave, take your point about no comparisons but the existing timetables are on Scotrail web site. AFAIK these are the same as pre-pandemic, as extra emergency subsidy has helped them run the trains.

    On route I (used to) use regularly (and will again from next month), not much change proposed AFAICS. One that may affect some folk as follows:

    "Through services between Fife and Tweedbank will be discontinued, and passengers will have to change trains at Edinburgh Waverley."

    I'm assuming this is about capacity issues at Waverley as much as anything. However:

    "The timetable will offer better connectivity between Dundee and stations in Fife, Perth and stations in Fife, and between stations within Fife. The journey time for some passengers between Perth and Edinburgh will increase, however there will be frequent journey opportunities available via a change of trains at Stirling."

    Also mention of Kirkcaldy and Glenrothes Fife Circle services from Edinburgh being extended to Levenmouth when the branch line reopens.

    Sounds like more "milk train" services and fewer express non-stop. So you win some, you lose some. Possibly reflects fewer commuting and business travel journeys and more leisure or shopping trips.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. acsimpson
    Member

    I guess the Tweedbank to Fife removal is to improve punctuality rather than due to capacity issues. If anything happened on the borders line then the Fife circle service was also affected and vice versa. This left some rolling stock out of place until it caught up.

    By removing the through service they ensure that each line operates independently and average performance is increased.

    Will it still be referred to as the Fife circle if no trains run round it?

    From a selfish point of view I like the new timetable purely because it signals a more to Edinburgh Gateway being the main station in the area and South Gyle becoming an optional stop. Previously the trains stopped alternately at one or the other but those which didn't stop has Gateway took just as long to go from South Gyle to Dalmeny as those that didn't.

    I can't understand why they are calling Perth and Dundee "The Tay Cities". It is both longer and and less clear in the timetable name.

    The timetables themselves (at least the Fife one) say that there are no significant changes planned for Sundays at this time.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. MediumDave
    Member

    @crowriver - despite the subsidy there certainly were service reductions. For example until relatively recently Edinburgh<->Dunblane was hourly[1]. I don't know if they are entirely back to normal but there's definitely more (and longer) trains since restrictions were lifted earlier this month.

    Of the timetable changes proposed seen, none really affect the things I want to do. I guess most of the cuts fall on more frequently served lines.

    [1] Carefully timed to miss connecting buses at Stirling by a minute or two, natch.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    This is their business, but valid points -

    The last 18 months have highlighted, more than ever, where traditional consultation approaches fall short, and where digital engagement fills in the gap.

    https://www.commonplace.is/blog/why-should-developers-care-about-community-engagement

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. HankChief
    Member

    I hope you didn't have your hopes up for Transport Scotland's review of TROs/ETROs...

    "
    Findings to date
    The overall consensus from local authorities is that they are generally content with the way that the TRO process works. However, some issues have been raised, such as the outdated nature of Experimental Orders and, particularly from, one local authority around the procedure regulations and their requirement for a Public Local Inquiry (PLI) if objections are not resolved and withdrawn.

    The TRO review has also identified other medium and long term opportunities which require further ongoing consideration with the group and we will look to bring those proposals forward in due course."

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/consultation-on-traffic-regulation-orders-public-consultation-analysis-report/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    "The TRO review has also identified other medium and long term opportunities which require further ongoing consideration with the group and we will look to bring those proposals forward in due course."

    Translation: We are kicking all this beyond the long grass, into the ditch alongside, then burying it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Frenchy
    Member

    Anyone struggling to find something to do on a Sunday evening?

    Edinburgh Council's consultation on their "Draft 2030 Climate Strategy" closes today. You can respond here: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/ce/2030-climate-strategy/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    @frenchy, but antiques roadshow is on telly

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Frenchy
    Member

    And yet you're here...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    I have dragged myself away.

    Is at Ham House. My pal lives nearby

    Lot of action in the bushes near the Thames.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

  12. MediumDave
    Member

    Not seen this posted here yet.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1030169/deepening-our-understanding-of-road-traffic-collisions-and-how-best-to-address-them-consultation-on-establishing-a-road-collision-investigation-branch.pdf

    I assume this will apply to Scotland too (after all AAIB/RAIB also operate up here).

    The key would be for the body to have sharp teeth - for instance they could "recommend" (order) that CEC fix that death-junction on Harry Lauder Way tout de suite.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Tulyar has been banging on, for literally years, about the need for a roads equivalent to the RAIB.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. neddie
    Member

    Totally agree with the need for a roads equivalent of the RAIB.

    However, to deal with 5 deaths, 80 serious injuries, hundreds of minor collisions and millions of near-misses *per day*, you would need to employ more than the entire UK workforce of 30 million people as investigators...

    Do not forget that RAIB investigate near misses as well.

    Hence the reason roads authorities / governments quietly sweep it under the rug.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. MediumDave
    Member

    From the consultation it appears they are planning to investigate only interesting/illustrative incidents.

    Perhaps cyclists being repeatedly killed by left-turning HGVs in certain places will be one of the things they investigate.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    There is a bad turn at the polis station on the Pleasance. You may be happily heading north on the segregated infra feeling confident. You should beware cars heading north may well turn right into you. The might even be polis.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    “The might even be polis.“

    You talking from personal experience?

    May be personal…

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    I always check at that point just in case.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    How do you teach a child to use that junction?

    “You have right of way, but look out for drivers & be ready to stop swerve jump out the way” ???

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Thing is, (as far as I understand side roads) is that you (should) have right of way over vehicles turning off a more main road if you are a pedestrian.

    Has anything been sorted for segregated cycle lanes?

    Either way, (unless things have changed) there is no RoW from vehicles intending to join the main road, so caution is needed anyway.

    Plus, as we know, motors (and/or their drivers) are not always law abiding (even those with a professional interest).

    Be alert, lerts and the entitled are around every corner.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. MediumDave
    Member

    Rule H2 and H3 in the highway code revisions should make that clear. However not in force yet.

    A similar issue arises with bus lanes. I assume "cut-off" maneuvers would be covered under rule 133 but the situation isn't at all clear

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: Thing is, (as far as I understand side roads) is that you (should) have right of way over vehicles turning off a more main road if you are a pedestrian.

    Highway Code Rule 170 doesn't mention main roads or side roads, it just says:

    ...watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way

    So the rule applies when emerging from a side road on to a main road as well. (Though try telling that to the rat-runners emerging from Caiystane View on to Oxgangs Road as I'm attempting to cross over to the bus stop to get the number 4 in to town. We can't have them giving way to a pedestrian and possibly losing any advantage they may think they've gained by exceeding the speed limit through a 20mph zone in order to avoid the wait at the Fairmilehead traffic lights, now can we?)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    “So the rule applies when emerging from a side road on to a main road as well”

    Yes, but I was suggesting that (bizarrely) pedestrians crossing the side road don’t have RoW over vehicles ON the side road heading for the junction.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Photo Sally Hinchcliffe

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    In a galaxy far far away

    The surprise decision, announced by the Department for Levelling up, Housing and Communities, ends a long-running saga of contradictory decisions on the fate of the planned tourist attraction – designed by Foster + Partners and called the Tulip – at 20 Bury Street in London’s financial district.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/11/government-throws-out-plans-for-305-metre-tulip-tower-in-london

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. MediumDave
    Member

    Haven't seen these here yet, though they may have appeared elsewhere on the board. So in case y'all having trouble sleeping:-

    1) Consultation on reducing car mileage by 20%

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/consultation/consultation-on-the-20-reduction-in-car-km-route-map/

    2) Consultation on strategic transport projects Review 2

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/consultation/consultation-on-the-draft-second-strategic-transport-projects-review-stpr2-for-scotland/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Had a quick look.

    Do they expect ANYONE to fill in the questionnaires?

    18 pages

    Random Q

    4. Decarbonising Transport

    Q22. To what extent do you agree or disagree that the recommendations under this theme contribute to Decarbonising Transport ?

    My answers would matter because I have an understanding of the issues???

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. Arellcat
    Moderator

    A rather less ambitious survey from our friends at Midlothian council, asking for views on active travel and the Active Travel Strategy:

    https://www.midlothian.gov.uk/directory_record/61590274/help_us_get_more_local_people_travelling_actively/category/182/current_consultations

    Q9 and Q11 are a bit poor IMO. The linked mapping tool really highlights the unconnectedness of AT routes even when including the plethora of will-probably-never-happen aspirational routes.

    I also hereby move to replace every instance of "Strategy" with "Tragedy" until matters improve.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    Q. 8. Are there certain types of journey that are an exception to your usual choice of transport mode, and why?

    A. Silly question - you choose the transport mode that is appropriate for the journey, there are many possible one-off exceptions. E.g. If I need to carry a fridge-freezer (twice in a lifetime) then I hire a van

    ROFL

    Posted 2 years ago #

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