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  1. neddie
    Member

    I see they're continuing to make the same mistakes, namely a half-hearted LTN around Harrison park.

    They've left the West Bryson Rd / Dundee Tce East-West rat-run open, as they have the Harrison Rd one.

    Utterly ridiculous putting segregated lanes down on Harrison Rd, when a filter would do.

    All it means is they'll get loads of complaints about "increased traffic" on the rat-runs they've left open, and the usual calls to "rip it all out", a la East Craigs, Corstorphine, etc.

    Honestly, the council have no clue how to negotiate. Start with the absolute best practice, then work back. Don't start with a weak filtering scheme, and expect it to somehow survive...

    FFS, maddening. We'll never reduce driving and associated harm to our children's future at this incremental rate.

    Never mind, I guess Spokes will be along soon to say "it's better than nothing"

    Posted 5 months ago #

  2. Dave
    Member

    I started off at the end by our office (the eastern end) and worked back, surprised at how progressive it is. Then you get to all the mystifying stuff around the canal connection and Harrison Park.

    Guys, just leave Harrison Road closed at the bridges and then spend £20k on a nice modal filter on West Bryson Rd and you'll create a massive high value LTN

    Urgh.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  3. Dave
    Member

    I was thinking about the Fountainbridge plans again on the commute:

    - I ride along the canal from west of Harrison Park to Lochrin basin every day.
    - The scheme starts off the towpath west of Harrison Park and stops outside our office.
    - I can't imagine using it in preference to the towpath

    I see the argument that it's better for personal safety, in terms of being on-street and streetlit, but in exchange you need to deal with the tedious traffic from Harrison Park on, until you get to Fountainbridge with the many pedestrian crossings. Over the years I've had many near misses trying to get past Harrison Park on the road.

    It will be interesting, if it's built, to see what the effect is on cycle counts at Fountainbridge vs the canal.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  4. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Scott Arthur now using these plans (flawed as they may be) to stoke cyclist hate on FB. Edinburgh's worst ever (ex-)transport convener and MP?

    Posted 5 months ago #

  5. wingpig
    Member

    That one, with the leading comment about the cycle bypass? https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BNNdzy8zd/

    Posted 5 months ago #

  6. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Indeed.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  7. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Lest we forget...

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20966&page=23#post-368351

    Posted 5 months ago #

  8. chdot
    Admin

    Seems to have too much time on his hands.

    Shame Keir didn’t make him a Minister..:

    Posted 5 months ago #

  9. bakky
    Member

    On the subject of Fountainbridge / Dundee St consultation, something I failed to spot initially but spoilering here from tomorrow's digest:

    For the first time (that we’ve seen), there are a couple of brilliant ‘overview’ images that paint illustrations of the new infrastructure and interventions directly onto maps of the area. These are large image files that require zooming in to see the implementation, but are a little easier to parse than the technical drawings alone. The first image [13.3mb] lays out the Dundee St / Fountainbridge Route, while the second image [17.8mb] contains a number of the southern ‘canal alternative’ interventions being planned within the project that also ease school routes and the crossing of Ashley Terrace. These are well worth a look over, particularly if you find the usual technical PDFs difficult to visualise.

    While already massive files, these could still stand to be slightly higher res; but zoom in and pan around, and I think they're actually a really important way of depicting changes in ways friendly to the public and easier to reason about, would be great to have them for all projects going forward...

    Posted 5 months ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    “

    The UK’s airspace is being upgraded as part of the UK Government’s Airspace Modernisation Strategy. Eighteen UK airports, including Edinburgh Airport, are modernising their routes to make our airspace more efficient.

    Find out more As part of this process, a consultation on our proposals will run from Monday 20 October 2025 until Sunday 25 January 2026. Information on our proposals is available on these pages and in our virtual room.

    “

    https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/airspacechange

    Posted 5 months ago #

  11. acsimpson
    Member

    I'm not sure I've seen this one shared before it's a plan to fill in a rather critical missing link across the Barnton Junction.

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/barnton-connections

    closing date 26th Jan.

    Posted 4 months ago #

  12. boothym
    Member

    I'm not sure I've seen this one shared before it's a plan to fill in a rather critical missing link across the Barnton Junction.

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/barnton-connections


    An important one given events on Whitehouse Road. Though my questions would be - why switch sides at the golf club crossing rather than just staying on the west side, why is the cycle track 2-2.5m when in places the opposite footway has a bit to spare at 3m, and why does it only go to NCN1 instead of all the way up towards Cramond Primary?

    Posted 4 months ago #

  13. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    I think running the track ultimately on the east side of Whitehouse Rd makes sense, as there's only one driveway and no roads to cross, as opposed to many/several on the west side.

    I am pretty appalled that the location of the proposed switchover means northbound (and southbound for that matter) cyclists will have to cross the golf course exit, which is exactly the location and direction that resulted in NWH driver Ross Wallace killing 11-year-old Thomas Wong. I'm far from convinced that junction is resolved or mitigable.

    And yes, onward travel to Cramond very much needs sorted ASAP.

    Posted 4 months ago #

  14. neddie
    Member

    Bidirectional cycle lanes, on one side, are bad design in all but very limited situations, for example there is a beach or river on one side, meaning no sideroad or driveway crossings.

    The issues with them are chiefly that bikes will be travelling in the opposite direction to the adjacent carriageway, which drivers will not expect / look out for. Then access and egress to them become a problem. People on bikes don't just want to get linearly from A to B, they want to stop places, or start/end their journey part way along. On top of that, side-road and driveway crossings become a problem. As do signalised junctions which end up with no priority for bikes and long wait times.

    I wish the council would stop designing them like that - it's just lazy sh***!

    FFS, just do uni-directional protected lanes on each side.

    The proposed Dundee St bike lanes are actually quite good in that respect, unidirectional on both sides, except a short section where it makes sense to have 2-way on the same side (with a unidirectional on the other side, so no unnecessary crossing)

    Posted 4 months ago #

  15. acsimpson
    Member

    I'm not sure if it's already been posted here or in it's own thread but a quick reminder that the City Plan 2040 consultation closes tomorrow (5th Feb)
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/place/

    Posted 1 month ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    “

    “Barnton Connections’: comments by LSE

    “

    https://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2026/02/06/barnton-connections-comments-by-lse/

    Posted 1 month ago #

  17. neddie
    Member

    TLDR: Living Streets Edinburgh oppose "floating bus stops" again

    ...on a street where a child was killed riding his bike, no less

    Posted 1 month ago #

  18. bakky
    Member

    Organisation in favour of pushing children into traffic once more questions infrastructure that doesn’t push children into traffic; bears still catholic, pontiff still popes in the woods

    Posted 1 month ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Overview

    We want to make your streets safer and easier for everyone to get around. In North Edinburgh Connections (formerly NEAT-Connections) we’re proposing changes to roads, pavements and public spaces along:

    West Granton Road
    Pennywell Road
    Ferry Road

    Changing streets makes it easier and safer for everyone in the community to get to local shops, schools and other community facilities. The proposals include:

    more accessible pavements

    reducing traffic to a single lane in each direction on Pennywell Road

    safer and more crossings

    protected cycle lanes, connecting to other areas like Granton and the city centre

    new and improved outdoor spaces, which could include trees, plants and play areas

    “

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/neat/

    Via

    https://www.facebook.com/Nicolson4Inverleith/photos/the-city-of-edinburgh-council-is-proposing-a-few-changes-to-local-roads-pavement/909313578395502/

    Posted 1 week ago #

  20. bakky
    Member

    We want to make your streets safer and easier for everyone to get around. In North Edinburgh Connections (formerly NEAT-Connections) we’re proposing changes to roads, pavements and public spaces along:

    West Granton Road
    Pennywell Road
    Ferry Road
    Changing streets makes it easier and safer for everyone in the community to get to local shops, schools and other community facilities. The proposals include:

    more accessible pavements
    reducing traffic to a single lane in each direction on Pennywell Road
    safer and more crossings
    protected cycle lanes, connecting to other areas like Granton and the city centre
    new and improved outdoor spaces, which could include trees, plants and play areas
    By reducing road space, we can build safer routes and paths for getting around and connecting to other areas. Landscaping with plants and trees will make the area more attractive to travel around or simply spend time in.

    The proposed cycle route has three sections and will start at Crewe Road North and run along West Granton Road in the north of the scheme, up Pennywell Road in the West of the scheme and back along Ferry Road in the south of the scheme, ending at the red bridge junction. Each section of cycle route has its own unique design proposals to best suit the street type and space available.

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/neat/

    Closes 9th June

    Posted 1 week ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    “

    The estimated cost of the project is £8 million and is part of larger
    investment in the local area linking to other developments.

    “

    You kinda wonder ‘what’s the point’ - apart from keeping some CEC staff and consultants in jobs.

    Yes, do away the Pennywell Road dual carriageway, but is this a ‘route’? Does it ‘connect’ to anything?

    Is it an sort of realistic AT “priority”?

    Posted 1 week ago #

  22. bakky
    Member

    To be fair I think the more education institutions can be linked up the better, but I was a Telford lad who moved to the Granton campus halfway through his haich enn dee so I am biased in that respect and don’t know the area that well otherwise.

    HOWEVER - if this is what it takes to get a couple of decent CYCLOPS junction / roundabout implementations actually built in Edinburgh for the purposes of proving they work (in the city that refuses to just learn from elsewhere)? That could be a huge aspect to translate to other junctions in the city.

    Posted 1 week ago #

  23. chdot
    Admin

    “I think the more education institutions can be linked up the better”

    Sure, and improving this wouldn’t cost £8 million.

    Posted 1 week ago #

  24. bakky
    Member

    How much of that £8m do you think goes to Aecom? I'm starting to think I'm in the wrong business.

    Posted 1 week ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

    Well

    The answer should be easy to find out - committee papers, just asking CEC or FoI if necessary.

    But answer would depend on how you ask the question and if anyone is adding up all the bills.

    This project (and many others) has been going on for years.

    It becomes next to impossible to work out where the ideas came from. Also how much they were developed by CEC staff to the point where external consultants were needed due to lack of staff/expertise.

    Then it’s about whether consultants are doing straightforward things like designs (with or without the ‘local knowledge’ of actual roads).

    Or are consultants coming up with ‘options’ (while carefully recording the time it takes).

    Etc etc.

    Whatever the ‘cost’, ‘value for money’ is difficult to factor in…

    Posted 6 days ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    You might also like to get lost in this

    https://neat.scot

    And/or

    https://neat.scot/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NEAT_Action_Plan_Report.pdf

    (That’s already 5 years old)

    There’s good stuff in there-

    “

    “I have a bike but it got a flat tyre and I couldn’t fix it, and there is nowhere nearby to get sorted, so
    I’ve just left it.”

    — Ownership and Maintenance; many people had concerns about maintaining
    a bicycle, and with the lack of services there is nowhere local to take one to
    repair.

    This is a particular issue for households without a car.

    “I’ve had 5 bikes stolen in 10 years – mine and my sons. Eventually you just give up and don’t replace them.”

    — Secure Cycle Storage and parking; theft is a real issue, and lack of places to
    securely store a bike at home, particularly in flats, and lack of proper facilities
    to lock cycles at local amenities makes people hesitant to purchase a bicycle.

    “

    ‘Sorting’ Pennywell Road isn’t going to change that much.

    Posted 6 days ago #

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