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Maybe BJ will turn up to open it and claim this was what he was actually talking about
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Consultation on the National Transport Strategy closes today.
Link here: https://consult.gov.scot/transport-scotland/national-transport-strategy/consultation/
Response from Sustrans, Cycling UK et al, in case that's helpful to anyone: https://www.sustrans.org.uk/media/5147/national-transport-strategy-joint-response.pdf
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Just for people's information, they are consulting on extending the Controlled Parking Zone to cover bits of Gorgie and Shandon. As we live in the area we've had a leaflet through the door which I need to read again to find out where to respond!
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@fimm https://www.pclconsult.co.uk/edinburghcpz/
There will be varying views of course, but the plans remove a lot of parking from the area, so there is a lot of opposition already I think. Shandon goes through this paroxysm every 5/6 years on average I think & in the end nothing happens.
On my street, they are proposing removing parking from one side - the same side the council are currently consulting on installing bike stores on. Distinct lack of joined up thinking from the council & their consultants.
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Thank you.
My only concern was how it would work for people like us who do not own a car but hire one or use a car club one fairly regularly. We want to park fairly close to the flat in order to fill the car with bicycles and other assorted sports kit, a tent and large quantities of camping gear, etc etc. I was a bit concerned that our model of car ownership would hit the "does not compute" button, but in fact we just have to buy a bunch of visitor's permits so I'm quite happy.
Also IIRC you can park a car club car in any residential parking zone without paying. Or something like that, I'll have to check.
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Don't forget your free 15 minutes of double parking for loading purposes coming with the new Transport Act...
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20 minutes for on the pavement...!
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TBH neighbours have already surmised that is likely to be the upshot if 'proper' parking is banned.
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Sorry, I misremembered, pretty sure it's 20mins for double parking too.
To be fair, the position at the moment seems to be that if it's legal to park 30cm from the pavement it's legal to park 300cm so that is an improvement, particularly for the busy just-out-of-CPZ areas.
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Councillor Ashley Graczyk is asking for views by email.
https://twitter.com/ashleyannotate/status/1189892791951908864
I'm pretty sure she's my councillor, so I shall send her an email full of support for the scheme. Any suggestions of points I could include?
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(Don’t know the context)
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I agree that anyone designing a public service should pull-out all the stops to engage with service users and potential users.
That doesn't stop me wondering how long someone can remain as Active Nation Commissioner when their boss does things like actively preventing the reinstatement of the prohibition on parking in mandatory cycle lanes or confirming their commitment to the dualling of the A9 and A96 in spite of declaring a climate emergency.
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things like actively preventing the reinstatement of the prohibition on parking in mandatory cycle lanes
I emailed my SNP MSP to moan about this, and got a reply saying:
"As this amendment was to amend secondary legislation, it would be far more suited to being in secondary legislation itself, rather than having a bill provision further amend what is already an amended instrument."
This, of course, was not amongst the reasons Mr Matheson gave for opposing the amendment, but being
somewhatentirely ignorant of the difference between primary and secondary legislation, I don't know how to respond.Any pointers?
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Frenchy - Any new Act of Parliament can amend any previous legislation, including primary legislation (Acts) and secondary legislation (statutory instruments). It is unusual for an Act to amend a statutory instrument, as the process for making and approving statutory instruments is much quicker and easier than for primary legislation.
However, only Ministers can make statutory instruments. MSPs cannot make or amend a statutory instrument. The power to make statutory instruments is granted to Ministers in primary legislation, e.g. the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 provides the statutory basis for TROs. It does not set out the procedure for the adoption of a TRO. The Act gives Ministers the power to make regulations setting out this procedure - currently the Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (Scotland) Regulations 1999. The idea being that Ministers can update these regulations without the need for primary legislation. It also helps keep Acts at a reasonable length. If every procedure had to be set out on the face of an Act it would be enormous.
If an MSP wants to amend a statutory instrument they can introduce a members' Bill or seek to amend a relevant Bill going through Parliament.
If I was to respond to this argument, I would acknowledge that it was an unusual, but perfectly legitimate amendment with worthy aims. However, given the MSPs concerns about legislative protocol I would ask whether they support the SG updating the current TRO procedure regulations as a matter of urgency.
EDIT- worth noting that redetermination orders are made under Section 68 of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984 and The Stopping Up of Roads and Private Accesses and the Redetermination of Public Rights of Passage (Procedure) (Scotland) Regulations 1986.
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This forum wouldn’t be the same without people who know what they are talking about.
Some might even be called “experts”.
Very valuable.
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Not an infra consultation but: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/ce/edtourism2030/
"The development of the new Edinburgh Tourism Strategy 2030 has been underway for some time and has focussed on building an evidence base to inform the development of the new strategy, and a programme of consultations with industry and stakeholders across the city.
It is being developed in a context which prioritises issues including the climate emergency, sustainability, inclusion and social mobility. It will therefore look to balance the needs of all stakeholders and so for the first time, the strategy partners are putting the draft strategy out to public consultation to seek views and feedback from residents, businesses and stakeholder across the city."
Runs till 30th November. My bold.
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Do other authorities do as many consultations?
https://lhncc.org.uk/2019/11/23/consultations-by-edinburgh-council/
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If, like me you are suffering from consultation fatigue you may be rolling your eyes at the thought of yet another.
This, however seems an important one to contribute to if you visit the Pentlands or live nearby.
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/pentland-hills-plan/
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Wading through the interminable lists of bureaucratic policy titles, visions and declarations I came across this utopian gem:
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We live in a Scotland with a growing, low-carbon economy with progressively narrowing disparities in well-being and opportunity. It is growth that can be achieved whilst reducing emissions and which respects the quality of environment, place and life which makes our country so special. It is growth which increases solidarity - reducing inequalities between our regions. We live in sustainable, well- designed places and homes which meet our needs. We enjoy excellent transport and digital connections, internally and with the rest of the world.
(from Ambition. Opportunity. Place. Scotland’s Third National Planning Framework (NPF3) – (2014) )
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A nice dream, but I wonder how far we have travelled towards that rosy vision?
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Someone I know of Facebook and a tiny bit in reality was moaning about the 7-7-7 bus lane consultation. She is against. Particularly as she feels will impact on a particular junction at Porty which we agreed was already crazy.
I tried to say she would be OK
She declined to accept
Then her next post was a map of Australia on fire.
She needs help to make the link? But I am like in danger of like trolling her man.
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On reading the Pentlands document I can't help seeing the spectre of "Underbelly". Can't we just leave the countryside for those who want to enjoy it as it is.
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The countryside is as it is as a result of historical decisions and power structures. The Pentlands are a sheep-wrecked desert because of land ownership traditions and laws and the common agricultural policy and a host of other things.
There's the countryside as it is, the countryside as it would be if humans vanished, the countryside as a majority might wish it to be, the countryside as its legal owners wish it to be.....
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> On reading the Pentlands document I can't help seeing the spectre of "Underbelly". Can't we just leave the countryside for those who want to enjoy it as it is.
If too many people try to enjoy the countryside 'as it is' and the authorities 'leave it alone' (ie. don't fund anything) then suddenly 'leaving it as it is' becomes impossible.
If anything, a wider plan which genuinely considered all stakeholders might have prevented the 'underbelly controversy' rather than exacerbating it.
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"If too many people try to enjoy the countryside 'as it is' and the authorities 'leave it alone' (ie. don't fund anything) then suddenly 'leaving it as it is' becomes impossible."
See for instance Arthur's Seat: in the past decade the paths and much of the hill have been eroded away by millions of visitors crossing it off their bucket list of "things to do (for free) in Edinburgh"...
Luckily for us the Pentlands not among them.
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Posted 4 years ago # -
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We live in a Scotland with a growing, low-carbon economy with progressively narrowing disparities in well-being and opportunity.
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First I’ve heard of it!
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“like trolling her man”
Do you?...
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New thread for this Pentlands malarky?
This is meant to be the "starred" index thread for all consultations, no?
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@chdot - no i resist trolling
Pentlands have always been managed. The three carparks - Harlaw, Thriepmuir, Flotterstone
Are rammed.
However anywhere else in the range is virtually empty.
Once we went out from the B7008 turn and headed over to the Covenanters grave, saw no one.
Another time midwinter we went out the thieves road from little vantage to the cauldstane slap, climbed a big ladder style and there was a crows nest on the platform full of coloured glass and trinkets. No one had crossed the style in years the Crow said.
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