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  1. Rosie
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    LEITH WALK/HALMYRE STREET – CONSULTATION
    Closes 31 Jan 2020
    McDonald Road library -From 13 Jan 2020 at 14:00 to 13 Jan 2020 at 19:00
    Leith Community Centre, New Kirkgate -From 15 Jan 2020 at 15:00 to 15 Jan 2020 at 19:00
    Out of the Blue Drill Hall, Dalmeny Street - From 22 Jan 2020 at 13:00 to 22 Jan 2020 at 17:00

    The site is an area of partially vacant land and buildings to the east of Leith Walk linking through to Halmyre Street and Manderston Street. The area has three main landowners and there are aspirations for the redevelopment of parts of the site. We are seeking to ensure that future development on this site is co-ordinated.

    The Council will be hosting a number of consultation events to allow the public, local interest groups and stakeholders express their ideas about the area and its redevelopment.
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/leith_walk_halmyre_street/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  2. Rosie
    Member

    THE SPOKES WEBSITE NEEDS A MAKEOVER

    We should like your ideas.

    Deadline 6 January 2020 (never mind)

    We are considering revising the Spokes website and would be grateful if you would complete the short online survey here.

    Please complete the survey whether or not you ever use the Spokes website.

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdiF2c42DemRyI22TSeVO5QoQQerVgDaS1tSdI9nlyjnYhd5A/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1

    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Spokes website survey

    Your response has been recorded.

    Submit another response

    “

    Interesting idea!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    “

    The consultation is everything such exercises are not supposed to be. It is confusing and heavily slanted. It is pitched in such a way that, however you might answer the questions, you are forced to agree with a profoundly illiberal idea.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights

    Posted 4 years ago #

  5. Frenchy
    Member

    On page 4 of this thread, @Stickman posted a link to a consultation about removing a traffic island on Kirk Brae. @neddie replied asking "They need to have a consultation on a traffic island?"

    I can now confirm that the answer is "No...they need two consultations on a traffic island."

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/kirk-brae-pedestrian-crossing-improvements/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  6. Morningsider
    Member

    I see that the proposal involves new double yellow lines, so you know what that means - a third consultation for the TRO!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  7. Rosie
    Member

    The world is upended, and much has been taken away.

    There are still consultations though. I see a future wasteland, of skeletal cities and a haggard tribe of zombie-like folk stumbling among the ruins, and still someone will be answering a consultation.

    From Spokes

    CONSULTATION -NEW FILMHOUSE ON FESTIVAL SQUARE

    Ends 3 June.

    This major (and exciting) project would occupy a good chunk of Festival Square. The 'Design Principles' include... The outdoor landscaping must maximise the potential of the public space, be fully accessible, encourage sustainable transport use and create a welcoming and inspiring environment for all. However no details of “sustainable transport use” are given, and there is no specific mention of cycleroutes.

    Festival Square lies on the 'Exchange' route which branches off from the Canal to West End route, and with long-standing ambitions (re-affirmed in the City Centre Transformation) to continue over a wide light-controlled crossing of Lothian Road. Almost the entire Festival Square will be dug up during building work, as the main screen will be underground and almost as wide as the square. Therefore the final landscaping has easy potential for a cycleroute segregated from pedestrians rather than being shared space. Given the large number of pedestrians likely to be attracted to the area, and many more cyclists when the Lothian Rd crossing and the promised 'Lothian Road boulevard' are built, a segregated cycle connection from the Exchange route would be a big improvement. Obviously detailed liaison and agreement with the Council's AT team will be needed, whether or not the route is external to the boundary of the development.

    A link to Morrison Street, behind the existing Filmhouse, would also be valuable given that a segregated cycleroute along Morrison Street is likely under the City Centre Transformation. And of course there is need for considerable bike parking.

    To respond to the consultation see the link below the box called 'Tell Us What You Think'. Question 4 of the short Survey Monkey is a place to mention cycling issues.
    https://www.filmhousecinema.com/future

    Posted 4 years ago #

  8. gembo
    Member

    @Rosie might even get more responses than usual given we are socially distant

    Posted 4 years ago #

  9. Rosie
    Member

    @gembo - nice to look towards a post coronavirus future as well, especially as the Filmhouse has now closed.

    WATER OF LEITH MANAGEMENT PLAN

    ends 26 March

    This is an opportunity, amongst other things, to raise the disused rail line section from Balerno to Kingsknowe. Unlike most other rail paths in the city it does not have a sealed surface, and suffers frequent bad deterioration. The Balerno-Currie section is now in better condition, but recently surface water has been “wall to wall” in some other places. Most other rail paths in the city are managed by the Council's transport section, and being seen as having a transport as well as a recreational role probably explains why they are in better condition for walking and cycling, especially in wet weather.
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/wolplan2030/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  10. CycleAlex
    Member

    Ever keen to bring us a glimpse of normality, the council have some consultations that don't really need to be consultations:

    Clermiston Primary School - Road Safety Improvements
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/clermiston-ps-road-safety-improvements/
    - Replacing speed cushions with speed bumps
    - New island at the junction of Parkgrove Terrace/Rd for contraflow cycling

    Warrender Park Road footway enhancement https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/warrender-park-road-footway-enhancement/
    - Junction radii reduction + widened footway

    Duddingston Road Safety Improvements https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/duddingston-road-safety-improvements/
    - Closing part of Stanley St/Hope Lane to cars (something worth consulting on!)
    - Replacing speed cushions with speed bumps

    The Capita stuff always seems to get consulted on. Wonder how much they charge...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    “Wonder how much they charge...”

    More than they are worth?

    Clearly there is a need for better scrutiny of whether any of this is necessary.

    It used to be (said to be) that one of Edinburgh’s problem was lawyers. CEC (and its predecessors) had lots of cautious lawyers. All outsourced now?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. CycleAlex
    Member

    I just don't get the logic of how increasing the pavement outside a school needs a 3+ week consultation but the segregated cycle lanes on Portobello Road didn't need anything.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    There is no logic.

    Bigger question is - is either ‘by the book’ or NOT ‘by the book’??

    Posted 4 years ago #

  14. neddie
    Member

    The Warrender Pk Rd improvements are somewhat disappointing.

    There needs to be:

    - a raised table at the junction itself
    - a proper informal pedestrian crossing at the North end of Whitehouse Loan (currently blocked by pedestrian guardrail)
    - and proper "school zig zags" outside the school gate, not double-yellows which still allow drop-offs (it's not like we haven't asked for this a thousand times)
    - and the dropped kerbs need to be much closer to the junction for better sightlines and visibility

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. jonty
    Member

    Weren't there to be some new parking spaces put in there, too? I guess that won't happen now?

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  16. neddie
    Member

    @jonty

    No idea

    Classic example of the council not communicating within itself nor to key organisations outside.

    Blackford Safe Routes have not been made aware AFAIK

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. CycleAlex
    Member

    Dropped a couple of comments about raised tables and different signs/lining plus a quick moan.

    Important: This should not be a consultation. Small, low impact projects that comply with the Edinburgh Street Design Guidance should not need to be consulted
    on. Consulting on them is mostly null and void and simply adds time and cost to a project.

    If a sanity check is required, this could surely be achieved quickly from colleagues at CEC/Capita or groups like Spokes/Living Streets rather than a three week
    public consultation.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. gembo
    Member

    Aye we need a consultation on what we need to consult on

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. neddie
    Member

    Good points @CycleAlex

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. Snowy
    Member

    I responded to the Warrender Park Road one:

    1. The proposals are to be broadly welcomed given the number of years that the primary school entrance has had to manage without the zig-zag 'no parking' lines that CEC was supposed to implement yet failed to do.
    2. Street furniture - there is a grey box on a post located right in the middle of the pavement approx 12 metres east of the school gate. This is a serious impediment to movement at peak times and has been known to cause injuries to younger children given its shape and location, and the opportunity should be taken to move it to one side or the other of the pavement, or ideally across the road to beside the commercial units where there is vastly less pedestrian traffic than beside the school gates.
    3. Bollards should be placed along the full length of the red lines. Sadly, evidence shows that drivers do not respect painted lines prohibiting parking. The new proposed edge of the footway *must* have bollards or other street furniture to physically prevent cars from parking partially or fully on the pavement. This is vital to safety.
    4. The proposal is a cutting edge design...if we were living in 1980. It is old fashioned and ignores decades of evidence about best practice for pedestrian safety when crossing side roads. This is a great opportunity to implement a contiguous footway across the entrance to Warrender Park Road, to ensure that it is visually unmistakable that pedestrians have priority over vehicles. This is a real opportunity for CEC to show leadership in this area and demonstrate prioritisation of active travel over motor vehicles.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. neddie
    Member

    @Snowy

    I agree it would be much better with continuous footway.

    However, continuous footway only works well if the side-street (in this case Warrender Pk Rd) is one-way at the exit (and ideally one-way in the "exit" direction).

    See the excellent blog on continuous footway from Robert Weetman: https://robertweetman.wordpress.com/2019/10/01/design-details-2/

    No real reason why this couldn't be done of course.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. Snowy
    Member

    Thanks, neddie, I was looking for that very article the other day.

    My interpretation was that the traffic should only be able to cross the footway one way at a time, which Weetman puts better than me:

    In other words, if two way traffic is allowed the entrance should be so narrow that someone driving a vehicle into the minor street must wait for any vehicle being driven out of it to fully exit (or vice versa) – so pedestrians are not at risk from vehicles moving in both directions at the same time.

    On volumes, I think it's certainly in the sweet spot for most of the day. I think some monitoring would be required (clipboards out) to count vehicles and pedestrians at peak times. Given current circumstances, that will have to wait!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. Snowy
    Member

    Edit: corrected Weetman's name from Wiseman. Also, I need to go and buy some milk.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. neddie
    Member

    @Snowy

    I think the two-way option would mostly relate to cul-de-sacs or driveways, where there is no other choice. In in case, the volumes need to be very low.

    Sadly, the Warrender Pk Rd volumes are far too high for this, particularly at school entry/exit times.

    Of course, all this could be solved with a nice modal-filter on Warrender Pk Rd, say at the section between Lauderdale St and Marchmont St...

    ...and a one-way loop around the top ends of Warrender Pk Rd and Warrender Pk Tce...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. neddie
    Member

    Blackford Safe Routes response to the Warrender Pk Rd footway buildout consultation:

    http://blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/warrender-pk-rd-footway-enhancement-consultation-response/

    Note that the consultation deadline has been extended to 17 May 2020

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. TonyJ
    Member

    Old Motel site - South Queensferry. There's a revamped set of plans for this site available for comment - Ferrymuir Gait (18/08266/AMC). Locally there is opposition as it is assumed that all traffic will pass through the Varney estate (Viewforth Place etc) although the application suggests that the road to the Transport Scotland offices will be used. Use of these roads will impact on the NCN1 & the route to/from the road bridge. Unfortunately the TS road is privately owned & access is being refused by TS/Amey. Objections by 20/5/2020.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. Rob
    Member

    Bonnington Road development (John Lewis) - https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=QA10IDEWHXN00

    3.10 The proposals also include 57 car parking spaces (including 3 disabled and 10 Electric
    vehicle (EV) changing points) and off road, secured and covered cycle parking. Initially
    338 bike racks (over 64% per unit) will be provided, with 6 areas in the private
    courtyards designated for incremental expansion when required (up to 602 bike racks).

    3.11 272 racks will adjoin a new Bike Café and workshop where cyclists can meet, socialise,
    and maintain their bikes.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. Blueth
    Member

    Well, 3.11 workshop etc will need a redesign for a start.

    Which throws up a bigger question. Should not every construction development across the UK be put on hold pending redesign to suit the "new way we are going to have to live for the foreseeable future"?

    As a group, we know better than most that trying to botch design changes in after construction is both costly and inefficient in terms of performance/compliance.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. neddie
    Member

    The consultations on Warrender Park Road footway extension

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/warrender-park-road-footway-enhancement/

    and Clermiston Primary

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/clermiston-ps-road-safety-improvements/

    and Duddingston Rd

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/duddingston-road-safety-improvements/

    are all still open! Their deadlines have been extended to 17th June due to C19

    So get yer responses in!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. gembo
    Member

    Firm called Rapleys promoting 350 houses on ravelrig hill down to the railway line in balerno

    Claim will also build GP surgery and cycle path. These claims are what you might call lies

    Posted 4 years ago #

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