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As I was coming Over Cramond Brig this morning I met a crew of workmen installing a "paint and planters" trial chicane just to the west of the bridge.
There are a couple of notices tucked behind the signs on the walls but I didn't stop to read them. Looks like they are trying to slow cyclists coming down the hill before they cross the bridge.
Take care if you're coming down the hill and expecting the keep your speed up over the bridge.
Speeding cyclists are a problem there. Whether this is the right solution remains to be seen.
Came through this southbound this morning. Big red and white plastic blocks. Branded something like a trial speed reduction initiative. Can't remember exact wording as it’s a bit shoogly going downhill. I always considered the state of the less than smooth tarmac as a sufficient speed control. Has there been any pedestrian/cyclist contretemps recently?
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Edinburgh Council (@Edinburgh_CC)
09/11/2016, 21:45
Remember: road signs aren't the only signal to slow down
#20mph #Edinburgh #slowerissafer
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A few weeks ago I was stopped by a policeman at the bottom of the hill before the Brig, he said a wee girl had been hurt in the road there 3 days previously by a cyclist. Didn't envy his job of standing around all day stopping everyone who was out for a Sunday spin but he did have a flask of tea at least.
If only they did that for every road collision! (Although having said that, I wouldn't be amused myself if the car was flagged down just so a policeman could tell me that, every time there was a collision)
Dave, That was my thought too. Why haven't they installed a chicane to slow down the motor vehicles crossing the other bridge, after all a lot if not most of them are going over the speed limit (ergo dangerously fast). I then decided that while this is a fair comment in many situations this probably isn't one of them. There is no speed limit for bikes crossing the brig but there can groups of people standing on it. If you are coming down the hill at 30mph or more you wont have much time to react to such a group and in this situation a chicane, while unfortunate is maybe a fair response. If it is in response to a single isolated incident though it does seem a little disproportionate compared to how little is done to keep children on bikes safe.
Anyway This morning I took some photos so everyone can see the chicane in all it's red and white glory:
Here's the notice:
And zoom out a little you can see what has happened to the left over paint (edited for family friendliness):
The gap seems to be about 3m but I'd be interested to know how navigable it is by anyone passing on a non standard bike. It's also the wrong way round according to the guidance I'm aware of which suggests you should meet the barrier on the left first.
I saw this this morning. I had the same reactions as others. Seems a touch disproportionate in response to a single incident. And why don't they install chicanes on roads every time there's an accident? Would make our roads more pleasant to cycle on, that's for sure.
This is also a good time to point out the sign on Brae Park Road with precisely the wrong emphasis, telling cyclists to be aware of cars, rather than cars on a narrow, dead-end road having to be aware of the many pedestrians and bikes.
@Harts. If it's the large read sign on a temporary stand that I can think of it's actually a left over from the 2015 PFS ride (I think). In that context it was fair enough as the majority of the ride was closed roads and they then arrived on Brae Park and needed reminded that it wasn't a closed road. I don't imagine anyone would notice if it disappeared (unless they found it on the other side of a wall).
@acsimpson
Is it worth cycling to Crammond to read the road?
No, It's an image of a certain body part. Perhaps more related to Clinton's husband than Trump. I'm sure it'll ruffle a few feathers in the neighbourhood though.
Chicane no more. The rhs barrier in acsimpson's photo above has lost 2/3 of its barrierness and the remaining white 1/3 has been moved flush to the wall. Did someone really not like the chicane or was it frolics from revellers leaving the Brig Inn?
After being confronted by this:
I thought I would ask the council cycling team for an update. The safety reports and planning consent are complete and a permanent chicane should be in place by the end of the month.
Good
(Though I hope they release some designs first...)
Tuesday -
Bets on whether it conforms to Cycling by Design standards?
Bets on whether it conforms to Cycling by Design standards?
If the torpedo can't fit through, like they've done at SQ, that is a very serious hindrance. Do they have any idea of what this means?
The only accessible alternative to reaching Dalmeny would become detouring via the A8, Newbridge and Kirkliston.
@arellcat, even before you reach the chicane, how do you get on with the barrier just after crossing the railway line? to me that is a shocking piece of infra...
EDIT - sorry was referring to the SQ chicanes...
The SQ chicane, that was previously a temporary wooden one, is impassable with the torpedo.
I see planning application 17/00970/FUL refers to the Cramond Brig implementation. They have the temerity to state, in the handling report, "The application has been assessed and has no impact in terms of equalities or human rights."
The drawing cites as an example the chicane at the eastern end of the Stenhouse-Balgreen path, which is only just navigable for me.
The drawing says there will be 3m between the barriers, and implies that they won't overlap. This does (I think) comply with Cycling by Design!
Do you think that will be navigable, Arellcat?
We're using the SQ chicane (in our discussions on the Garden District) as an example of how developers can get it wrong when putting in a cycle path for commuters.
Lovely wide path ruined by the chicanes which bring conflict/impassability as well as making the road crossing much more difficult by the angle of approach / exit.
It may be a case of the horse and the stable door, but I have sent CEC a pointedly detailed FOI because I am not happy.
A chicane wouldn't have ever been necessary if OLA cyclists learned to slow down.
What's the SQ chicane?
A chicane wouldn't have ever been necessary if OLA cyclists learned to slow down
Wait a minute. It's a road. It just happens to now be blocked to through motor traffic. Cars probably used to thunder across there at 40mph before the new bridge was built.
Why shouldn't cyclists travel there as fast as motors would have done previously?
What is missing is a footway.
[Ooops. Getting into EEN commenteer territory...]
"What's SQ" thanks @fimm +1. And btw what's OLA?
An OLAM is an Otherwise Law Abiding Motorist... so an OLA Cyclist is one who is Otherwise Law Abiding.
SQ = South Queensferry. There's a chicane here (on Killiekrankie's Path): https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/55.98019/-3.37987
Thanks Frenchy and fimm. I'm feeling particularly dumb about the SQ one now!
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