Maybe the word 'cyclist' is supposed to have a semi-colon after it. It might then make sense?
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Burnshot flyover
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@Snowy, They removed the word "no" by the evening. Perhaps they had the signs ready before the diversion was created and simply added the arrow.
@Chdot, When it's working the bus priority scheme undoubtedly also keeps a lot of pollution out of the city by rationing access on a first come first served basis.
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Cllr Work again...
"Drop kerbs have just been installed at underpass. On Tuesday an asphalt ramp at bus stop on to the footway will be done. Hope this helps."
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Is Cllr Work new? He is living up to his name... ;-) can we clone him? ;-)
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Bit more detail (from council officer via Cllr Work)
On the Army Camp side the footway out of the underpass joins onto the Footway that leads round to the bus stop. Cyclists should stay on the footway here. We have a lane closure booked for carriageway patching here on Tuesday and we will be putting in an asphalt ramp from the bus stop on to the footway. The kerb at the bus stop currently has a 45 degree slope.
I am not sure where else a ramp or drop kerb might be needed. We are working on installing a footway from Burnshot road down the slip road to the A90 This will let me form an improved link for both cyclists and pedestrians.
@handcyclist - if that doesn't sound like it'll be suitable, you should let Cllr Work know and they can hopefully get it right on Tuesday.
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"Is Cllr Work new? He is living up to his name... ;-) can we clone him? ;-)"
No. Yes. You want cloned politicians?!
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Very pleasing to see it in action tonight - 8 people were using it in the 10mins I was there. There is even a temporary set of pedestrian crossing lights at the top of the slip to allow peds/cycles to get across the sliproad traffic.
As you approach the bridge they have a sign and some paper maps with the diversion on it.
There was a women on foot there tonight who had just got the bus and was dismayed to see the barriers up. I pointed her to the diversion, but she had already called her mum...
They have also dropped the kerbs on the Northside of the Underpass (still a little high for my liking) and will be putting in a ramp to access the path on the MOD side next week.
Great work all round.
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"Great work all round"
Yes.
Hope Cllr Work will think it worth looking into how this nonsense (esp CEC's 'Army won't let people use underpass') came about.
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@chdot, well not really I guess.
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Norman Work (@CllrNormanWork)
26/05/2017, 8:40 am
@3184e86ec81243f @hank_chief @harts_cyclery @CyclingEdin @SpokesLothian @TheBikeStation See earlier tweet, solid barriers will be put in place. Cones temp measure just now."
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I came in this way on Sunday but only found the diversion because I knew it was there and approached it by waiting for oncoming motors to pass before riding a short distance on the wrong side of the road. I hope the permanent solution addresses the issues:
In order to even see that there is a sign indicating a diversion for cyclists, far less read it, one has to go the wrong side of two keep left signs then ignore a road closed sign which is accompanied by a solid row of cones blocking the way (somebody has eased one slightly to allow enough room to, just, get a single track bike through).
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I use strava. I appreciate it has a bad press in some people's eyes, but I am happy that I use it sensibly. However..... some numpty has now set up a strava segment from the top of the slip road, across the slip road, through the underpass, across the other slip road, and then to trump it all, through the chicane and across the brig. Seriously.
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Perhaps set up by someone who is genuinely curious about how long the diversion takes to traverse?
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Or tracking how many people are using the diversion? (Maybe a shorter segment would have been better for that)
Strava was useful to see that over 1,000 different users had used the bridge so far this year.
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Does Strava do (or could they do) a 'no leaderboard' segment? In other words one that just tracks 'who and when', but with no ability to compete?
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Does Strava do (or could they do) a 'no leaderboard' segment? In other words one that just tracks 'who and when', but with no ability to compete?
You could flag it as dangerous. I think that hides the data, but you can sign a waiver and still see it if you want.
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Lovely new ramp at the burnshot bus-stop this morning. Looked like more work happening further up the road too.
Thanks from me to all those who hassled for the solution.
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Strava segment might also be useful in comparing how long diversion takes to original route?
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Why do people think that the segment concept causes otherwise law-abiding cyclists to become maniacs?
It's like saying that speeding on the motorway after the introduction of Strava-for-cars app will be caused by Strava-for-cars: it ignores the fact that right now, all the speeding is happening anyway. IMO it's just a convenient scapegoat that now exists, people have been trying to set their personal fastest times since the first day of the bike, and will do even when Strava is a distant memory of their grandparents...
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the concept of time itself is the gateway drug here
velocity being merely a function of time
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Why do people think that the segment concept causes otherwise law-abiding cyclists to become maniacs?
Well, ignoring the possibility that someone has set up the segment for traffic monitoring purposes (which I accept, but no one has admitted to this as yet). What is the purpose of the segment? It is to see how fast you can do it. Is there any other purpose? In this case, there is zero athletic ability involved in getting a good time & every chance that trying to get a KOM will endanger both cyclist and others. The conclusion to draw is that anyone setting up such a segment for the purpose of recording a fast time is an idiot.Posted 7 years ago # -
Well, ignoring the possibility that someone has set up the segment for traffic monitoring purposes
Why would you ignore probably the #1 reason?
trying to get a KOM will endanger both cyclist and others
If you feel that strongly then flag it as dangerous.
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The problem is that "flagging" doesn't do anything.
It doesn't delete the segment. It doesn't hide the leaderboard. It does nothing except display a waiver.
And even if the segment were deleted, someone would just put it back up again in a few days time.
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Even if the segment is traffic monitoring, it isn't the brightest thing to do, if you don't identify it as such. Otherwise, put up a segment & people will try and beat the time.. Personally, given the segment starts at the top of the hill, continues much further than would be required to monitor the diversion and finishes at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't make it look like a traffic monitor to me. Neither does the title "Radge wee diversion east". Could be wrong..
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On the traffic modelling front 136 differnt strava* 'athletes' have taken the diversion heading West a total of 279 times and 164 different people heading East a total of 243 times.
Not bad numbers - over 500 uses of the diversion in 2weeks - which is exactly why it was important that it got done.
*The real number of people will be higher (possible much higher) as not everyone is on Strava and not all that are would have followed the exact route to/from the Brig.
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I see the speed limit is now thirty up the hill and under the bridge. Perhaps someone realised that having heavy traffic thundering under it at 70 wasn't a great idea. Of course speed limits and vehicle speeds are not always related as we know.
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I think the speed limit is more to do with the diversion than the bridge.
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