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Burnshot flyover

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  1. chdot
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  2. crowriver
    Member

    Bridge work to reconnect village ‘cut adrift’ from Edinburgh

    A VITAL road link connecting Kirkliston with the city centre is to be replaced after local residents raised fears of being ‘cut adrift’ from the rest of the capital.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/bridge-work-to-reconnect-village-cut-adrift-from-edinburgh-1-4688452

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    Notwithstanding that there are cycling/walking elements, ne the speed with which a design is completed, a budget is found, and contrast to recent cycling schemes.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Wind was easterly when I was headin east, southerly when I was heading south later in the morning and westerly when I was heading home. I have complained to the council. Oops should be in weather thread. I bla,e this rather toothsome aglianco purchased last week at Markinch Wines

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. acsimpson
    Member

    “But also for our staff as well, we have one employee who only lives a mile away, but his walk to work turned into a three-mile trip because the bridge was out of action.”

    I'm struggling to work out where the employee could possibly live. The only conclusion I can come to is that it's a change of mode which has added the distance rather than the bridge removal.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. neddie
    Member

    Some info on the "major stakeholder consultation" already held:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/77i89b85m003tq0/Burnshot%20Bridge%20Major%20Stakeholder%20Consultation.pdf?dl=0

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    From link -

    The Council is currently exploring the possibility of opening this temporary bridge to pedestrians, however for the time being it is only suitable for access by maintenance personnel.

    Right, so (ignoring any option for cycling) it’s possible to be used by the public but not part of the planning process...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. Stickman
    Member

    Motion by Conservative councillor at next week's council meeting.

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/56465/full_meeting_papers_-_the_city_of_edinburgh_council_-_15_march_2018

    9.7 By Councillor Jim Campbell – Burnshot Bridge
    “Council
    Asks Officers to provide a report regarding the reconstruction of the Burnshot Bridge to the Transport and Environment Committee in two cycles that will include
    1. An estimate of the volume of “Active Travel” across the bridge.
    2. An estimate of the volume of cycle traffic alone across the bridge.
    3. The design guide lines for all segregated surfaces being considered for inclusion on the replacement bridge.
    4. A statement of principle regarding the allocation of costs to the ring- fenced budget for cycling when undertaking projects that benefit cyclists alongside users of other modes of transport, including an indication of what publicly available guidance this is based on.
    5. The proportional allocation of reconstruction costs in light of 2, 3 and 4 above, that are recommended to be attributed to the 10% of the transport budget that is ring fenced for cycling.
    6. An outline of the costs to provide the temporary segregated diversion route for cyclists and pedestrian constructed in part alongside the A90 slip road, and the proportion of this allocated to the ring-fenced cycling budget.”

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    Conservatives trying to claw back the cycling budget for motorists then...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. Blueth
    Member

    I imagine the answer to 2 and 5, in the councillor's context, should be zero, given the shiny new path linking to the underpass? The diversion does not look very temporary in its construction to me.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. stiltskin
    Member

    He could also estimate the cost of the damage caused to the bridge by cyclists and also assess the need to provide a bridge to take motor vehicles (or even whether the bridge needed replacement if only bikes used it.)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. HankChief
    Member

    The debate on Burnshot Bridge funding

    Tories reiterating their support for active travel (But would fund case by case), whilst trying to push for cycle funding to pay for some of the replacement bridge.

    Lib dems getting upset with the lack of a replacement bridge & that it 'could' be delayed while they design in Active Travel networks

    SNP saying the street design should include active travel without going into the 10%. And that the TEC will decide on plans.

    https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/293933/start_time/7960000

    coalition amendment

    lib dem amendment

    TL,DR - the Tory motion didn't carry

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. HankChief
    Member

    This is the project update that is getting Cllr Lang in a twist

    https://kevinlang.mycouncillor.org.uk/2018/03/17/burnshot-bridge-update-march-2018/

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. HankChief
    Member

    latest update

    The Harts cycle way will open soon

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  14. acsimpson
    Member

    It's a very nice piece of tarmac, even if it only leads to a sign warning users that the road to Kirkliston is busy.

    Good to see all the remaining temporary signs are due to go in the next couple of weeks.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  15. redmist
    Member

    In summary, if coming up the cycle path from Cramond Brig is it possible to connect up to Burnshot Rd and on to Kirliston ? And the reverse ? Thanks.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    Yes. As you head up the hill there is a underpass just after the weigh station. Take this, then corkscrew round to the left and you are on the new tarmac up to the Kirkliston Road.

    https://www.strava.com/segments/14955705

    Reverse journey is the opposite. Getting onto the new path is a little tricky tho

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  17. redmist
    Member

    Right, great, thanks. I didn't realise the underpass really was an underpass. I'd also assumed it was up at the old bridge. I'll take a look next time I'm passing and check it'll be ok for the road bike.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  18. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    It's fine for road bikes, although sometimes the leaves can be a bit squelchy, but there's generally a clear line to take.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  19. HankChief
    Member

    The new path is now fully open and I have to say looks mighty fine.

    Anyone else up for an opening celebration for the widest piece of cycling infra built in recent history.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  20. LaidBack
    Member

    I'd be up for that - as long as it doesn't include an Audax!
    Mrs LB on back of tandem approved a week or so ago - once we had taken the long bike through the underpass loop. Workers were apologising for not getting the whole thing open sooner.
    We were going up to Craigies farm on first tandem outing this year. Farm shop sign was encouraging.
    New Kirkliston link
    New Kirkliston link

    Posted 1 week ago #
  21. amir
    Member

    @laidback you anticipated my post. cyclingmollie and I are doing a wee audax via that route this weekend. But the times we are passing are not particularly social.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    Can someone remind me -

    A) Was this always planned?

    B) Was this always planned as part of the bridge replacement?

    C) After all the fuss ‘we’ made, did someone look at wider options for improving things for cycling in the area?

    D) Other?

    Posted 1 week ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    I think (C) above.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  24. acsimpson
    Member

    Mostly C. Here's my memory of it.

    The council shut the bridge to cyclists with minimal warning. They said the underpass couldn't be used because it would take cyclists through MOD property.
    @Hartscyclery called rule 2 on that and confirmed via contacts on the other side of the fence that the council had asked if they could route motor traffic through the base.
    Cllr Work was then asked to get involved and arranged the diversion using a coned off section of slip road.
    ...
    The cycle path is built on the verge.

    What I'm not sure about is the missing section where someone decided that a cycle path could and should be built on the verge. I think @Hartscyclery probably knows more than I do on this one.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    “They said the underpass couldn't be used because it would take cyclists through MOD property.”

    Yeah, I remember that bit!

    I wonder if Cllr Work was annoyed about being convinced that was true and then didn’t let up??

    Posted 1 week ago #
  26. Scoosh
    Member

    Rode the Harts Cycleway on the 'bent yesterday.
    The underpass is a bit mucky - it will inevitably attract all the wind-blown junk around - and the turn up onto the actual Cycleway is very tight and steep ! Not good on a lwb Fuego with wimpy legs ... ;-(
    Once on it, it a lovely smooth gentle slope up to the K'liston road but a rather gravelly drop kerb to get onto the road proper. Care needed.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  27. acsimpson
    Member

    I don't know but I certainly hope the "officer" responsible went away and had a long hard think about what they were doing.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  28. Blueth
    Member

    Don't worry Scoosh. My experience over years of commuting that way showed that the build up of winter leaves seldom exceeded a foot deep.

    It would be nice to think that it might now get cleared occasionally.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  29. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    I see they've now put a red strip along the edge. As a visual cue to cyclists and drivers, I guess.

    Order was roughly:

    Thread on here about Cllr Work talking guff about the use of the underpass. I phoned up Craigie Hall to get their view and they said it was OBVIOUSLY public access. What they were objecting to was that the Council had approached them about vehicular through-routing - about which they had obviously told the Council where to go.

    I emailed Cllr Work and Cllr Lang explaining that the the underpass combined with a coned off section of the slip road would be an ideal pedestrian/cycle way whilst the bridge was shut.

    Kevin Lang phoned me to discuss, I explained in more detail my idea; knowing the area well, he had a decent gist of what was required and said he'd go away and speak to officers. A week or so later it happened!

    Then, to everyone's surprise, Cllr Work announced that they were making it permanent. As far as I know no-one had asked for this, but it's certainly very welcome.

    All in all, a great result, I'd say! Credit to Cllr Work and Lang and the officers involved in making it happen so quickly and in building such a high-quality path. Yes, the underpass is a bit grotty, but the new stuff they've built is excellent.

    Here's my instagram post, a wee while back: https://www.instagram.com/p/BfWXdcIgT1E/?hl=en&taken-by=harts_cyclery

    Posted 6 days ago #

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