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  • Started 7 years ago by Greenroofer
  • Latest reply from acsimpson
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  1. Greenroofer
    Member

    If someone was considering a day ride (a fairly long day ride, admittedly) from Inverness to Edinburgh on a road bike, would following NCN 7 the whole way from Inverness to Perth, then following NCN77 and NCN 1 to Edinburgh be practical/sensible/advisable? Is there anything worth bearing in mind in route-planning terms* when considering such a ride?

    I'm asking on behalf of a friend, obviously...

    *I appreciate there are other things worth bearing in mind (like "Are you mad?"), but I'm they are mainly interested in route advice at the moment.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    On a only vaguely related note - has anyone cycled from Edinburgh to Braemar? Just how daft an idea is that?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. Snowy
    Member

    I did Edin to Aviemore the other way and stayed true to the NCN routes. NCN1 out of Edinburgh, picking up 775 after Kinross, 77 out of Perth, picking up 7 just south of Pitlochry.

    There were bits I would optimise if I did it again, such as sections where the NCN route takes unnecessarily scenic detours (mainly in Fife - I'd use the B981/B996 next time).

    It's a nice ride and I'd like to do it again southbound. The bit between Blair Atholl and Dalwhinnie is never far from the A9 but the scenery makes up for it.

    Puncture resistant tyres are probably recommended.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Greenroofer

    I think that's your only option as far as Perth on a road bike. Prepare for cold rain at the Drumochter for that is the Law.

    Mind you, the old military road from Trinafour to Aberfeldy, then Knockhill and Dunfermline....

    @Frenchy

    Perfectly possible. I did it in reverse in my youth.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    Reverse sounds much easier, although I'm mainly worried about how busy the A93 is.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    I wouldn't say the A93 North of Blairgowrie is busy at all, certainly not after Bridge of Cally. It's not a road to anywhere, unless you're heading to/from Braemar. There must be quieter routes for Perth-Blairgowrie.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. amir
    Member

    @frenchy Edinburgh to Braemar is like half a Kingdom Come Audax (albeit that usually starts by Queensferry or the like). So you could Google that to get a route. Some of us did that last year. You could Google Deeside loop to find a shortcut

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. paddyirish
    Member

    For A93, usual thing on country roads - not a lot of traffic, but need to be aware of locals who "know" the roads and drive as though there will be no other traffic on them...

    2 weeks ago, we drove back from Spittal of Glenshee along the A93- was 13 miles before we met another vehicle.

    On the way up we came round a bend to find an escaped herd of cattle... lucky the road was icy and I was only driving at 20mph, so had plenty of time to make a stop...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. jonty
    Member

    Other thing to bear in mind about the A93 is it's the route to Glenshee so will get busier when ski conditions are good (which could overlap with good cycling conditions later in the season.)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. ARobComp
    Member

    @Frency - Eminently doable. I did pretty much the route google would suggest on a bike a couple summers ago and it was good fun.

    https://goo.gl/maps/7iMBxQe35Ry

    Then I headed down the dee to get the train back from Aberdeen. think total trip I set off at 6am and got the 5:50pm train in plenty time. Wind was from the south West so I was cheating a little!

    That was the trip where I got Speed wobble for the first time, and where I lost my brand new super light pack jacket. If you find it let me know.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. LaidBack
    Member

    https://www.plotaroute.com/route/19388

    If you zoom into this you can see the other way to get into Perth via Ballathie and Stanley. Takes you off A93 after Meikelour. There is a back route from Blair to there too if you have time. (A) roads are always faster for cycling though if you are doing a big distance of course.

    I've cycled the A93 load of times between Blairgowrie and Perth. It's ok outside commuting times. North of Blair much quieter as has been noted.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. Greenroofer
    Member

    If one were wanting to cycle from Carnwath to Wanlockhead, is this route down the A73 OK on a Sunday?

    ...asking for a friend obviously.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. HankChief
    Member

    Should be okay. The A73 can be a bit zoomy at times but no worse than the Lang Wang.

    Have fun

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    What about staying on the A70 until the M74 roundabout then the B road then down to Crawfordjohn then from there to Wanlockhead or is that your return route?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. Greenroofer
    Member

    @HC - thank you. I hope Sunday morning will be least zoomy.

    @gembo - thank you for that suggestions, which is a bit out of the way for the planned route, which includes an ascent of Lowther Hill (weather permitting) and a return via Moffat and the A701.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    how early Sunday morning?

    I guess my experience of theA703 is generally heading back about 11 ish. Maybe it is the same as A70 and I am just more familiar with the A70 but at the later time I come on to the A703 at Eddelston and stay on for a mile or so then I am super glad to come off it at the next possible junction (Shiplaw climb).

    Quite a lumpy return, some say Green Lowther highest ashphalt in the UK, others argue as the road goes up to the listening station then back down and is not an open road then it does not count.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. Greenroofer
    Member

    @gembo - I'm thinking of the A73 (I think) between Carnwath and Abington, rather than the A703...

    I know there's going to be a couple of miles on the A702 just near Abington, but I'm hoping there won't be too many lorries around.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Ah, sorry, became confused.

    A73 not too bad,

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    In an ironic twist due to me thinking we were going to fife (last week’s route) and the suggestion the coffee stop was before the Tinto climb I ended up on the A73 today, it is kind of quiet/busy dependent on junctions with A72 etc

    I also appear to have cycled 37 miles to the tinto tea room, then ten miles around tinto hill then 37 miles back, almost all of which appeared to be headwind

    However the climb and descent the other side of tinto hill from Riggside (pallet central) over to Wiston is a superb route with fab descent.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. Greenroofer
    Member

    My 'friend' is back doing a bit of route planning and is contemplating a route (which just happens to be exactly 300km) from Edinburgh to Perth, then Blairgowrie, Glenshee, Braemar, Cock Bridge, Tomintoul, Boat of Garten, Carrbridge, Cawdor, Inverness and train home. They note it's 12,000 feet of climbing. They wonder if anyone has any advice about the northern half of the route: I've done Edinburgh-Braemar before, but not sure what happens after that as I've never been there.

    Also, what are your thoughts about timing? With an average speed including stops of 10mph on a ride of this length, is it better to leave at noon, stop for tea in Perth then ride over the hills in the pitch dark and the small hours (arriving into Inverness in the morning), or leave earlier and arrive in Inverness in the middle of the night [but did you know there's an 0456 INV-EDB direct!]

    Collective wisdom gratefully received.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Sounds lovely. You'll need to use a short stretch of path between Carrbridge and Cawdor to cross the Slochd Mòr between the Dulnain and Findhorn river basins but otherwise all good. If you're going in April or later the Slochd summit is a great place to see ring ouzels, on the east side of the A9.

    I don't need to tell you the high passes can be cold and bleak even in summer, obvs.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. HankChief
    Member

    I'd have thought your friend would have learnt their lesson by now...

    However, as a lover of adventure, I'm willing to help them out 1 more time...

    From Braemar, the main road is slightly down hill and quite fast but fine.

    The left turn at balmoral takes you up a grotty little road through the forest and out onto an exposed plateau where you can first see the Lecht and what is to come. The decent isn't too long but has a nasty offcamber right hand turn near the top.

    You then rejoin a big road and take the impressive humpedback bridge and start to climb again. This climb has a tough middle and long drag to finish.

    Then whoosh, down the other side before turning left to start the accent of the Lecht. A gentle valley road sees you start to climb up to Cockbridge where the fun really starts... it looks like a wall. (There is no other way to describe it). Straight up. Get in your granny gear and give it everything up to the snow gates. Whilst that is the steepest bit done there is no let up as it turns through the trees and then you head up to the left (chug chugging as you go), with a large pull off area at the top you curve right still climbing. Eventually you reach a top, and are rewarded with a slight downhill and a demoralising clear view of the road going straight up the mountain in front of you. Settle in, you're in for a long haul.

    When/if you finally summit the top you can get a terrible headwind as you crawl along the flat ish top section to the ski centre. Well done for making it this far.

    The decent is rapid and steep but good fun with clear sight lines until you are in the woods/across the river and a right angled left turn see the bulk of the decent over. Next comes a 4-5 miles flatish slog usually into a headwind to Tomitoul.

    Next is a windy decent down to the river before and steadyish climb up the other side.

    Now the best bit. Bridge of Brown. Tight steep bends going down and tight steep bends coming up the other side. Once you are up and past the coffee shop you get a lovely view of the long long drag ahead of you...

    Once you have 'enjoyed' that you get a steady decent down and a hairpin left turn onto the Boat of Garten road. This is an exposed route on a barren plateau (the type to get IWRATS muttering). The last bit of the decent into Nethy Bridge is okay.

    A rural farmy B-road will take you to Boat of Garten and onto the A95. The main road into Carrbidge has you climbing again - it could be a bit sketchy on a summer Saturday afternoon as it is windy and not that wide but I expect that won't apply to you.

    From Carrbridge up to Slocht it is a long steady climb on the old A9. You go under an impressive bridge of the new A9 but is just lots of climbing and few bits of the standard rough A9 cycle path where the old road is no longer used by cars. Slocht is a nice climb as you also have the railway for close company.

    I'll stop there as I don't want to totally put you off (and I've not been further north than Slocht).

    Have fun and tell us how you get on...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This is an exposed route on a barren plateau (the type to get IWRATS muttering).

    Plotting revenge more like.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. Greenroofer
    Member

    Thank you both. That is... inspirational.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. HankChief
    Member

    What were you hoping we'd say?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. Greenroofer
    Member

    I dunno - something like 'oh those hills north of Braemar aren't all they are cracked up to be you know' :-)

    Instead you've just confirmed what I feared from looking at the gradient profile...

    However forewarned is forearmed and all that sort of thing.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. HankChief
    Member

    If you aren't worried about your average speed, then it is just a collection of pedal strokes (& a low gear) to get you up the hills.

    As long as you are making progress (& are comfortable on the bike) then you are winning. Simple :)

    The views are absolutely stunning and definitely worth the trip. #MakingMemories

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. HankChief
    Member

    One thought that might help you is to take a look at a longish hill that your have 'toured' up and see what decile you were on the leaderboard.

    Then look at your route and see how long it took that decile to do the climbs ahead. It might help you mentally to know that this is a only a '10minute' rather than say a '20minute' climb.

    Just a thought...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Crossing the Cairngorms is always hard. I don't do all-night riding so I can't help with that but looking at this ride I'd try to cross the Slochd at dawn. The Strathdearn and Strathnairn (which is where you'll be) are gentle, magical places by comparison with the bleak mountains behind you. Maybe focus on getting a first-light view of them?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. acsimpson
    Member

    Not much to add to what HC has already said but I will anyway. I road as far as Carrbridge last summer and it was mostly great. A little hot over Glenshee but after 40km of climbing that's not too surprising.

    The turn just after Braemar which HC describes is the only place I have ever had a blowout. My tube went out the sidewall, thankfully it's a climb so no harm done other than 20 minutes working out what to reinforce it with.

    My word of advice is on the descent from the Lecht (I think just before Bridge of Brown) there was a right hand blind bend which revealed some potholes which CEC would be proud off. I don't know what lights your friend* uses but best would advise caution here in the dark.

    I would also suggest doing it in better weather than last time you(r firend) rode that way for the full jealousy effect.

    *I assume said friend has good lights due to their habit of such long dark trips.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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