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Stair Management (newbie!) - bank accounts etc

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  • Started 8 years ago by morepathsplease
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  1. morepathsplease
    Member

    Most of the flat owners in our tenement are looking to set up a maintenance/management committee. There are a few things that we need to get sorted and it would be great to get advice from anyone else here who has been down this road before.

    My head is still spinning from the various information I've been looking at online over the past 24 hours, Edinburgh council website and Shelter mainly, and I think I read somewhere that the bank account that such committees set up must be an interest-paying account. That seems a random requirement and I can't find it again so just checking here in case anyone can help. Like I said, also grateful for relevant advice overall.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. morepathsplease
    Member

    Although I had read this post started by kaputnik I had missed the helpful Consumer Focus document linked by Morningsider so I should be able to proceed re the bank. Would still welcome any general advice though re DIY stair management.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. minus six
    Member

    Would still welcome any general advice though re DIY stair management

    three card brag school last friday of every month

    loser cleans the tenement stairs for the month ahead

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    A prile of threes and you never clean the stairs for a year? Alternatively a rota

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. morepathsplease
    Member

    I don't want to end up cleaning the stair every month.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. minus six
    Member

    Ok, how about...

    build a combustible wickerman in the back garden

    and all tenants gather around, chanting

    " let's lynch the landlord ! "

    this may be beyond the initial project brief

    but cathartic for the denizens, nonetheless

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    @bax you would have to tie that in to some sort of barbecue and face painting for the kids and call it The Back Green Festival.

    Back green politics are interesting (well I say interesting but I mean curious). Some back greens are clearly communal, there is a crescent just up from kings theatre ( was there last night for cuttin a rug) and the back green runs the whole length as it should but without buts being split up for individual houses. Well this is going back twenty years. There may have been some claims and stake posts rammed in since then. When I stayed in argyle place however each close had its own garden separated by walls. The back green was for the whole tenement, I am guessing for hanging out washing only. Fair few rats attracted by Chinese home cooking. (We lived two floors above it.). Then round the corner in warrender park the back green was open but you were checked very severely if you strayed on to the wrong patch. I said interesting but I think I meant boring.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. morepathsplease
    Member

    and all tenants gather around, chanting

    " let's lynch the landlord ! "

    I am a landlord so not too keen on this one either.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Gillespie crescent - lovely street, supposedly three bedroom flat but two were box rooms cheeky. Nice kitchen on to back green offer over £150k twenty years back. Amazed colleague who had given me a lift by taking five minutes to reject (had looked at a lot of flats by this point). Do you ever wonder what your life would have panned out like if you had bought that place say rather than moving to the sticks etc

    Still best pals with my landlord from argyle place. He charged very low rent, shared the cooking, let me come back after saying he wouldn't as wanted to live on his own. Was our best man, lived with us in the winter of 2011, left to avoid being resident with us on the census. Bought me very nice espresso maker machine , still going.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. deckard112
    Member

    Advice from a banker...if you're going to set up an account in the name of the 'committee' or 'group' you'll likely need minutes of a meeting establishing the group, who the committee members are, confirming intent to open the account, who will operate it and what the signing mandate will be (e.g. two signatures to sign cheques, send payments, etc). I've never heard of a requirement for an account to be interest bearing for this type of entity, that would normally be determined by the group itself. In any event, unlikely it'd ever be checked or audited unless you are benefiting from council funding (and it's a condition of the funding terms).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. BenN
    Member

    @morepathsplease, if I may throw my tuppence in here; I manage the account for our communal stair, having ditched our ridiculously expensive factor many years ago in favour of self factoring. I can offer a few observations and more advice if you need:

    1) Account is a Treasurer's Account with RBS, although most banks offer similar, and is named 'Residents of <stair number / street>'. The account is not interest paying, but does not charge for any services so works out well for us.

    2) Every dwelling on the stair pays £100 twice a year, (9 flats) which covers fortnightly cleaning and monthly gardening (we have garden front and back), as well as a small amount leftover to the communal emergency fund. This is WAY cheaper than a factor would charge.

    3) Make sure you get as solid agreement to basic rules from all dwellings. For example: what happens if an owner leaves and wants a share of the surplus in the account? What are the formal collection procedures if an owner does not pay either the regular payment or to replenish emergency funds? What will the maximum carry balance of emergency funds be? Who will be the final and binding arbiter in the event of a dispute?

    4) Agree a 'Stair Manager' and an Auditor who will preferably rotate amongst owners every few years. As long as all accounts are audited (which really only involves cross checking expenses against the bank accounts) everyone should be happy.

    5) Pay everything (cleaning / garden etc) by standing order. It will make audit SO much easier.

    That should get you started, but feel free to ask if you need any more!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Greenroofer
    Member

    If you're thinking of operating your account electronically, then bear in mind that RBS doesn't offer a 'two to sign' Treasurer's account that you can operate over the internet (or didn't when I last checked). Bank of Scotland do.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. BenN
    Member

    <Ahem> whoops - our Treasurer's account is indeed with BoS rather than RBS!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. morepathsplease
    Member

    Thanks to all for the replies, especially to BenN for the detailed and very relevant info. I had come across the BoS Treasurer account and we're looking to set that up. Good tip re the basic rules, which we have not yet discussed. I'm hoping that we can make big improvements given the positive responses from owners and tenants.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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