Indeed.
@paddyirish. The experience at Edinburgh wouldn't be noticeable different if the did plonk an IKEA in. Althoughas IKEA offer shortcuts perhaps it would be an improvement.
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(97 posts)- Started 7 years ago by unhurt
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I seem to have killed this thread before but now have a question about the location of bike parking. Is it still on the way into the multistory ground floor where OSM shows it?https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.94717/-3.36333&layers=C
I know the airport like to change things around most weeks and need to get there at ouch O'Clock in the morning so only leaving a little spare time.
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Took me a while to find the tiny bike on that! But yes - It's still just where the "valet parking" is next to the international arrivals door.
I've been using it most weeks last few weeks and there are usually a few spaces. A few wrecks which the airport should remove too.
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Thanks.
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I learnt last night that the reason for the Bus/tram surcharge for going to the airport is that the Airport charge the operators for access.
Crazy. Lets see if we can find out why...
https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1070443148235685903?s=19
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Now that is good sleuthing but unless you can turn back time to when I was the only person in Edinburgh loving the tram proposal and stop the airport ransom strip then It won't change.
I can tell you why the airport charges though that is easy - Capitalism
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So, the Airport's masterplan (p39) has some interesting stuff...
"5.16 The current ASAS commits to:
» achieve a 35% public transport mode share target
» deliver enhanced external roads infrastructure and future transport interventions
» enhance and add to the bus network to and from the airport. We shall review bus charging and bus stance allocation, and further promote staff travel by bus
» consolidating the existing taxi ranks to improve passenger choice and experience
» promotion of the tram system and review how it contributes to access options one year after it becomes operational
» support and promote cycling as an option for accessing the airport
» as opportunities arise, seek to enhance access to the cargo areas
» review car parking strategy to reflect changing trends and passenger profile
» continue to offer coach parking close to the terminal, and overflow facilities
» maintain the Public Transport Levy
» continue to offer the Ride 2 Work scheme to Edinburgh Airport staff, and to promote the car share scheme for all airport staff."My bold
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Some more detail within the ASAS (AIRPORT SURFACE ACCESS STRATEGY) as well
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/edinburghairport/files/export/PDFs/EDI_ASAS_2012.pdf
"Bus charging mechanism
We shall continue to levy bus departure charges, as do many bus stations, for use of our facilities; and shall put in place a range of charging mechanisms based on the number of passengers (both arriving and departing) carried. We feel that this approach ensures that services which are not well utilised pay less than busy services, and so is fair to all and recognises the commercial realities for operators.We shall publish the standard passenger tariff which will apply to all bus operators, and we reserve the right to charge; however we shall continue to support new bus services, or those which are not yet commercially viable, by ensuring that charging thresholds are set at appropriate levels that encourage such services.
Decisions on thresholds will be made objectively based on consistent criteria, so that all operators are treated fairly.
We shall also continue our policy of encouraging the use of public transport, through promotion of bus services within the terminal, on the forecourt, and on our website; by the provision of high quality shelters and information services; and by aiming to accommodate bus stops in high profile locations as close to the terminal as is practicable. "
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I suspect gembo is right. It's a combination of capitalism and captive market (monopoly). The cost of getting to the airport is rarely taken into account when booking a trip so by the time people make a plan to get to the airport they don't have a choice.
Strangely car parking is a competitive market to an extent and even their paid drop off competes with their own free drop off area. the bus/tram options don't have an obvious competitor and so are essentially operating as a monopoly.
Sadly this setup seems to be fairly ubiquitous around the world with some places having very convoluted setups to ensure that nobody escapes the clutches of airport capitalism.On a side not I'm intrigued by the 1% of people who arrive at the airport by plane. Is that essentially saying that only 1% of passengers transfer to another flight or that 1% of passengers arrive on private aircraft such as the ryder cup helicopter fleet.
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Assume it must be the latter as transfers aren't really "arriving"? Oh - do those arrival figures include staff, or just travelers & folk seeing them off/meeting them?
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The tram levy also works to deter use of Ingliston P&R car park as a low cost alternative to airport parking.
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You can't stay over night at ingliston park and ride think the over night ban is to stop cheap airport parking
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Motoring consumer campaigners welcomed any protection for car owners, but warned against creating any monopoly which would further increase charges.
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"We shall publish the standard passenger tariff which will apply to all bus operators"
My searching skills have failed to find this detail...
Anyone else have more luck?
Posted 5 years ago # -
The LDP did highlight the potential for the link road to be for buses, bikes & pedestrians only. Chances of that happening...
Posted 5 years ago # -
"one more lane"
When will they learn?
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I don't understand why public services are cut and cut but profit making concerns like airports (that are contributing to climate change which might actually end our whole species) can blatantly beg for public subsidy and get a positive hearing.
Well, I suppose I do understand but I think perhaps I'd rather not.
He warned that the airport’s growth this year would slow significantly from 2018, when passenger numbers rose by 6.5 per cent to 14.3m.
In what universe is a year after year increase of 6.5% sustainable?
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Because when you say sustainable, you mean sustaining a liveable environment
When they say sustainable, they mean sustaining the 6%
It’s a doublespeak that suits the polluter very well
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In what other industry (outside of, um, academic publishing) is 6% annual growth considered to be catastrophic and not a very healthy margin?
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“6% annual growth”
Presumably that’s turnover, which isn’t really the important measure for successful businesses.
Profit and return on assets are usually more important.
It’s easy to assume ‘increase in turnover = increase in profit’, but..
Increase in turnover/profit due to increased subsidy/reduction in tax is not really a good business model - and unlikely to be good for public finances.
(Without even considering whether growth generally and more flying is ‘good’.)
Unreasonable expectations for returns on investment isn’t doing well for ‘affordable’ housing quotas or companies bought by those whose sole interest is quick returns - eg Evans.
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Airlines pay no tax on fuel, there is no VAT on tickets, and airports benefit from duty-free retail. How many more tax cuts does this most-polluting of transport industries want? There are plenty of more deserving cases for tax cuts than the aviation industry.
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https://twitter.com/transformscot/status/1086921605358501889?s=12
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The airport plans are being discussed this morning, prompting this comment:
“I’m sitting in a committee meeting where most of my fellow elected members are seriously proposing building more roads in order to decrease congestion in Edinburgh......
#darkages”https://twitter.com/davidfkeysnp/status/1088414883463553025?s=21
Posted 5 years ago # -
Erm... wasn't it the SNP who kiboshed the rail link to the airport?
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Following a vote in the Scottish Parliament on 27 June 2007, the Scottish Government agreed to retain the Edinburgh Trams project to construct a light rail line between the airport and Edinburgh city centre.[7] John Swinney MSP, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance in the Scottish Government, warned that the full underground EARL project would probably be scrapped in favour of the electrification of the Glasgow-Edinburgh Main Line. The Edinburgh Trams service was launched, on 31 May 2014, as a single light rail route from central Edinburgh to the airport.[8]
To address the loss of direct mainline rail links from around Scotland to Edinburgh Airport, the Scottish Government instead proposed a cheaper alternative in the form of a new interchange station at Gogar offering interchange between the Fife Circle Line and the Edinburgh to Aberdeen Line and Edinburgh Trams.[9] Construction of the new station, called Edinburgh Gateway started in April 2015 and it was opened in December 2016.[10][11]
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..so yes then
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SNP not great on public transport but this scheme had issues - like tunnelling under the runway through the water table.
Presumably all run by the people who estimated passenger numbers for the Waverley line and Ed Gateway.
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The first SNP led Scottish Government also tried to stop the Edinburgh Trams project, but were forced to proceed following a vote in the Scottish Parliament on 21 June 2007. They suggested more guided buses as an alternative.
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The 100 Bus was great when we lived in the city.Got us ut with a minimum of fuss on most occasions and ran really frequently
Most recent experience of travelling by rail to the airport was to reach the Gateway and get hit by a tram fare of 5 or 6 quid per person for a single to the airport. Absolutely :Rule 2: .
I don't have a good word to say about the tram (especialy the nonsense around the building) and don't think I will use it for anything again.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Can't you get a through train ticket that includes the tram from Edinburgh Gateway to the Airport?
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