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General Election 8th June

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  • Started 6 years ago by chdot
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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Really

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    o_O

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

  4. steveo
    Member

    So no time to get rid of Corbyn, even if by some miracle labour get in we'll still be on the same path best we can hope for in Ken Clark getting Torry leadership...

    Didn't they make the five year term manditory?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    Will May get the 2/3 majority needed to call an election though? Could be an interesting vote tomorrow...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. ih
    Member

    "Will May get the 2/3 majority needed to call an election though? "

    Labour are going to vote for it, so that's the 2/3 needed.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    crowriver - yes, Jeremy Corbyn has agreed to vote for Christmas.

    Only joking - I mean vote for the motion to hold an early election.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. fimm
    Member

    Does this actually give an opportunity to change anything? Or will any result be claimed as a victory for Brexit (unless the entire county votes LibDem, I suppose)?
    I've become totally fatalistic about Brexit: I see no way to change what is going to happen, so I'm just ignoring it all.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. Morningsider
    Member

    fimm - I suppose a Lab/Lib Dem/SNP coalition could agree to hold a second referendum on the Brexit agreement. This seems pretty unlikely though. Tories seem pretty likely to increase their majority and Lib Dems are unlikely to pick up more seats than Labour loses.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. jdanielp
    Member

    Don't forget the Greens!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. minus six
    Member

    usually vote green despite their skin deep credentials but i think it has to be moto-snp this time, just this once

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. ih
    Member

    Morningsider. A GE fought with a clear Brexit/Remain agenda wouldn't need another referendum (imo) as the election would be a de facto referendum. However I don't expect that scenario to come about because, amongst other things, Labour is so divided on the issue. Corbyn's statement did not mention Brexit. In fact he has now just said that he wants to deliver a Brexit that works for all.

    But Fimm, please don't ignore it. All young people should register and vote. In the EU referendum, it is received wisdom that young people voted to remain. But, in fact more old people voted to remain than young people simply because the young did not get out to vote.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. PS
    Member

    So no time to get rid of Corbyn, even if by some miracle labour get in we'll still be on the same path best we can hope for in Ken Clark getting Torry leadership...

    I seem to remember that Ken Clarke wasn't going to stand at the next GE (assuming it was going to be in 2020). Hopefully he'll give this one a go to remain a thorn in May's side.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Labour MP on BBC talking about building a stronger opposition. Defeated before even leaving the blocks.

    This election will actually be good for Labour, a new Leader 2 years sooner than expected...

    Unfortunately Brexit is going to happen, no sign that Labour are positioning to be anti Brexit, that was possibly their only slim chance of winning.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. fimm
    Member

    Oh, I'll vote. I've never consciously chosen to abstain from voting; though I don't feel I can claim to have voted in every possible election since I turned 18, I must have missed at least one somewhere!

    I just can't see anything that's going to make any difference.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. Klaxon
    Member

    I've accidentally abstained by mis signing my postal vote. I'll never use that system again unless I have to

    My advice is to take a photo of your registration form so you don't sign your ballot with your 'quick signature' when you registered with your 'neat' one

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Prof Curtice just said on R4 that it might be a lot closer (in terms of the size of the probable Tory majority that May expects) than current polls suggest.

    So possibly a whole lot of chaos for little real change.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. ih
    Member

    May - "The country is coming together, Westminster is not."

    This is worthy of Trump - the country is terribly divided and getting worse. Westminster (to its shame) is united in that a clear majority of MPs has accepted Brexit and is doing little to prevent this national suicide.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "The country is coming together, Westminster is not."

    My impression is that that is the opposite of the truth.

    On Brexit there are people firm on both sides, but in the middle a growing unease about the possible realities.

    In Westminster Labour will vote for tomorrow's undoing of the 5 year cycle certainty. I wonder if all Tories will! (I expect so really.)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Of course it may all go like Turkey - changing the rules in the middle of the election.

    So that'll be PR for Westminster then.

    (Not.)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. Morningsider
    Member

    chdot - John Curtice was talking about all those safe labour seats in England, meaning that Tory gains won't be as big as expected. I'm not so sure about that - after all, there used to be a lot of even safer Labour seats in Scotland. Possibly depends on whether fervour for Brexit overwhelms party loyalties. Could pro-Brexit Labour voters turn Tory (no other English nationalist party to vote for - UKIP seem to be spent).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "John Curtice was talking about all those safe labour seats in England, meaning that Tory gains won't be as big as expected"

    Yes, and he's not always right.

    Election on existing boundaries - change was due in time for 2020 which (allegedly) could mean '50 fewer Lab seats'.

    There are a LOT of unknown unknowns.

    Will there be any sort of LibDem revival, if so will there be a lot of tactical voting - not least in Remain areas with Tory MPs.

    Many Labour MPs may hate Corbyn (many voters too) but as Brexit is not a 'safe' Labour issue they need to concentrate on issues that might appeal to voters. Meanwhile the Tory manifesto will either look like a Hard Brexit one or full of stuff that can only come true if the EU negotiations go well.

    I'm not saying that people actually read manifestos or that the Labour (or LibDem one) will be more coherent/credible than the Tory one.

    I don't suppose most in the Tory machine really want an election just now - still dealing with fallout from the local/national expenses difficulties...

    Sadly voters' memories are short now - minutes not months.

    Who will remember TMay lecturing people about getting on with the day job?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. wee folding bike
    Member

    I had Ken Clarke's autobiography as an audio book a few months ago. It's entertaining and occasionally informative. He was never a very Tory Tory and even less so now. He didn't intend to stand again but then, when he wrote the book, he expected a few more years as an MP.

    I like it if he stayed on but he might have had enough.

    BTW, he never wore Hush Puppies.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    The truth behind Ken Clarke's suede shoes...

    http://www.nottinghampost.com/truth-ken-clarke-s-suede-shoes/story-12268896-detail/story.html

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. ih
    Member

    Amber Rudd - "Opposing the government is opposing the national interest." On R4 PM programme. Extraordinary.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    We're sleepwalking into an authoritarian dictatorship here, folks.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick)
    18/04/2017, 6:59 pm
    BREAKING: The CPS have told Channel 4 News tonight that they are considering charges against more than 30 individuals. #electionexpenses

    "

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. LaidBack
    Member

    Stage one was to sail SS UK at the Brexit iceberg full speed.

    This has resulted in speculators on our currency becoming even more fabulously wealthy.

    Stage two is more like Alien where May would like to portray herself as the heroine that expelled all the useless Tories she has been wasting her time with.

    Lump these together with members of the national parties in various corners of the islands and anyone else not on her red, white and blue wavelength.

    T May is not popular here. I can't see any Tory policy that would appeal to Scotland. Ruth D currently championing the 'rape clause'. That's all you need to now. Of course she gets an easy time from the media stooges.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    "

    By Harry Carr, Head of Sky Data

    If the polls are right, the Conservatives could be looking at a massive majority of as many as 140 seats following Theresa May’s call for an early General Election.

    http://news.sky.com/story/tories-could-have-140-seat-majority-after-snap-general-election-10842265

    "

    Data is one thing, interpreting it is another.

    Based on one poll, worth referring back to after election

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9tXjibW0AAd1Cs?format=jpg&name=large

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. LaidBack
    Member

    Election on same day as this year's SEStran Commuter Challenge.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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