How unlike the Chipwrapper to engage in sloppy journalism: "with rural forces outperforming city counterparts" - do Police Scotland know about these other forces? One must presume that they mean divisions rather than forces.
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Operation Close Pass in Edinburgh
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Definitely, up for Writing in, we should also put pressure on Scot.Gov and Cllrs to push Police Scotland to roll out elsewhere. For example, if Glasgow and Inverness Cllrs are asking their Liaisons for Opp Close pass to be rolled out in their area to help encourage Cycling that's bound to help!
On a Personal Note, I definitely noticed a difference in driver behaviour following the media campaign. However, that's also around the time I strapped a Go Pro to my head!
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Dom D said there are six prosecutions coming up that need publicised, well I think that is what he said. (there are others in pipeline)
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Dom D said there are six prosecutions coming up that need publicised,
Publicising will make all the difference. Without making them public, all he's doing is educating people one at a time.
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Exactly gibbo if the perception is that there is no enforcement more and more drivers will continue to punishment pass as it just highlights that cyclists are not worthy of protection.
This apathy by the police has to stop.
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Related thread (inc. videos) -
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Presume this is the link you meant:
http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17823#post-253110
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"@edinburghpolice
We've been in Holyrood Park spreading the #OpClosePass message! 9 drivers passed our cyclist too closely so had a chat on the mat"Posted 7 years ago # -
"@edinburghpolice
We've been in Holyrood Park spreading the #OpClosePass message! 9 drivers passed our cyclist too closely so had a chat on the mat"9. What's that? One trip from the Parky's to the Palace and back?
(P.S. Very pleased to hear they've targeted this area. It's a long-standing nightmare.)
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Granted not the highest number! With the Meadowbank junction closed for roadworks traffic volume was significantly reduced so it tended only to be one car at a time. Plus, genuinely there were some really well planned overtakes!
We also spent longer as we were showing and explaining the mechanics of how to run the op to colleagues from Fife and Forth Valley divisions.
Some really terrible passes on Queens Drive going up the hill towards the Commie Pool. So much so I'm planning to go back there with a different approach.
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@Dom D - Some really terrible passes on Queens Drive going up the hill towards the Commie Pool.
Those will have been deliberate to "encourage" the cyclist to use the provided facilities next time, rather than delay motorists. Cyclists that choose to get in the way are deemed to require being taught a lesson.
I've even been pulled over by Lothian and Borders officers for the crime of holding up traffic (holding primary prior to turning right)...
Robert
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Some really terrible passes on Queens Drive going up the hill towards the Commie Pool.
I can imagine. When I lived near the park, I used to get close passes while going 30mph down the hill.
If they don't have the patience to sit behind a cyclist who is doing the speed limit, I can't imagine they'll have patience if cyclist is going uphill.
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@ Dom D
"So much so I'm planning to go back there with a different approach."
Might be good if that was 'how about shutting the Park to through traffic'!
Incidentally, are you checking on actual speeds?
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Coming down Buccleuch St this evening, I'm going to be turning right so taking the lane, behind a couple of slow-moving cars - so slow, in fact, that I could have gone faster, the front one seemed to be looking for an address - I hear a horn behind me and just as I'm sticking out my hand to indicate turning right into Buccleuch Place, M2 FFT comes blasting past me (and the ped crossing). Two young lads, hurling abuse at me. Any point in reporting this? I don't wear a camera. so no footage.
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Yes
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You mean they overtook the cars as well?
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@DomD, "So much so I'm planning to go back there with a different approach."
I assume that's the one which you talked about earlier which starts with leaving your colleagues at home and ends up with a court date.
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@chdot: I don't know whether they passed the cars too - I was preoccupied with remembering their number plate before my own rapidly approaching turn.
Spokes bulletin says "The police are happy to receive reports of close passes, if there is clear video evidence.", so looks like no point in reporting it.Posted 7 years ago # -
"so looks like no point in reporting it.
Well...
'We' have discussed before and it has been clear that the process via 101 or Police counters has been very variable.
I think the bit about video evidence is more to say that Police WILL accept it rather than saying 'without video, don't bother'.
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@Colonies_Chris - you can report it by email using the 'ContactUs' option on the Police Scotland website. Without corroboration we have limited options though. I know that from personal experience when I got punched from a car passenger whilst cycling!
That said when I get a report I normally have a dig about. They're could be other things related to the vehicle that perk my interest. Also out of the 1000's of cars on the road you'd be surprised by what I remember when I see it. Sometimes an information report is just enough...
Equally I do read the today's bad driving thread on here. I don't comment but I do take a professional interest.
@acsimpson - hopefully not a court date as such. I'd like to issue a 'misery voucher' at the scene. By plugging the bike cameras into a laptop and playing back footage to the driver at the scene I hope to encourage them to comply with the offer of fixed penalty. Sourcing a capable laptop is my current biggest obstacle just now!
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"Sourcing a capable laptop is my current biggest obstacle just now!"
Unless the police have some obscure specifications/security concerns, I would have thought any computer would do - or an iPad plus card reader(?)
Someone on here might have a spare one...
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"Sourcing a capable laptop is my current biggest obstacle just now!"
Unless Dom has any objections, perhaps a lot of tweets to the transport and justice ministers might produce some cash!
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Even for the education element as well, I've always liked the idea of instant playback to the driver.
I've still got a few formal avenues to pursue first, but I appreciate the support. I'll make it subtly known if I draw a blank.
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CCE crowdfunder for a suitable laptop? I'd chip in... (slightly unfunny Intel-related pun almost intended)
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It wouldn't be without precedent - I seem to recall that concerned residents in Ponteland bought Northumbria Police a speed gun to "encourage" motorists to stick to the limit through the town...
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Police didn't even pay for the mat (I think).
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@chdot - correct. Mat and cameras supported (£) entirely by Cycling Scotland. The educational leaflets are provided by Spokes.
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"...I seem to recall that concerned residents in Ponteland bought Northumbria Police a speed gun to "encourage" motorists to stick to the limit..."
Did they really? That's news to me, and I grew up there (does not mean it didn't happen of course.) The 30 limit outside our house was "not well observed". The result of this is I am very careful to keep to speed limits.
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