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Cyclist down (Shandwick Place)

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    This is dreadful. Really awful.

    And what is worse, I quite literally described this section as a "crazy death trap" in the Evening News 5 years ago. That was meant to be a warning not a prophecy. Kim Harding, Tracey Griffen and her husband Andy, Uberuce, Dave McCraw also joined for that photoshoot.

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7387

    Being able to say "I told you so" in circumstances like this just makes you feel sick inside.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Rulou
    Member

    I saw someone who did not appear to be a policeman remove the bike from under the bus. I thought it was odd as I imagined it would need to be recorded as the scene of an accident - is this relevant do you think? Debating whether I should report it?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. steveo
    Member

    :(

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. edinburgh87
    Member

    Awful news. RIP to the lady involved. I have my own thoughts on the trams, and commute there daily, but will save those for another day...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. Darkerside
    Member

    Grim. Absolutely grim.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    RIP. Words fail me.

    @Rulou yes, please do, that sounds important

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Condolences to the family of this young person, very sombre news.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. jdanielp
    Member

    Awful news :(

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. minus six
    Member

    This wasn't an accident. Accidents you can't forsee. This was a business decision.

    +1

    it was only a matter of time.

    a tragedy that has claimed the life of a young lady.

    i'm gutted, and bitter.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. ARobComp
    Member

    Very sad to hear.

    I ride through that junction every time I work in my Edinburgh office - really brings it close to home.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. Rulou
    Member

    Thanks @murun-buchstansangur for the affirmation, left a message on the non-emergency number, which it all it would allow me to do.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @kaputnik

    Have a man-hug. You did what you could, but that must feel awful.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. condor2378
    Member

    So sad to hear. Having previously been tipped by the tram tracks into the next lane I have now changed my route to avoid Princes St.

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    Thankfully, the cars behind had left enough space for me to get up and out the way, but scary to think that the exact same thing has resulted in a death...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. fimm
    Member

    R.I.P.
    I've stopped going that way because I feel so vulnerable.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Ed1
    Member

    I go by canning street if going that way, safer going up one way street the wrong way for a very small time

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. Bigjack
    Member

    So so sad. Condolences to the poor girl's family. I had a similar fall at that point before the line was completed luckily no vehicle behind me then!The section where the lines bend up to North St Andrew St is equally bad.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. Luath
    Member

    Desperately sad news.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. unhurt
    Member

    PoP Facebook page has a May 14th post from a woman who crashed on the tramlines; she has now added a comment to the thread saying it was pretty much exactly where this morning's death happened.

    https://m.facebook.com/groups/220834201349298?view=permalink&id=1249158538516854&comment_id=1265459836886724&notif_t=group_comment_reply&notif_id=1496236766051233

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

    Devastating.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. miak
    Member

    so desperately sad .. f*ing stupid f*ing tram tracks and f*ing edinburgh council ..24 years old a whole life ahead of her ..just wrong

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. steveo
    Member

    You can bet your last quid that those phycos at rabbies tours are as culpable as the council.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Tram lawyers: ‘We warned you 2 years ago a cyclist would die’

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/tram-lawyers-we-warned-you-2-years-ago-a-cyclist-would-die-1-4462396

    Well said

    Meanwhile the council urinates about with comparative non-issues like Cramond Brig

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. gibbo
    Member

    Is there a law like corporate manslaughter that could apply here?

    I'm guessing politicians are exempt from such laws. So, as usual, they'll get away with it.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. emuir
    Member

    Has Edinburgh ever done a die-in before? London does them: https://stopthekilling.org.uk

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. minus six
    Member

    bbc, helpful as ever:

    It is understood the woman's bike tyre got caught in tram tracks, which caused her to topple over into the path of traffic.

    cos people commuting on bikes ain't part of "traffic"?

    shame on you

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I can be a bit prickly over language, but I don't think the BBC would ever say that a man's car had 'toppled over into traffic' if it hit a road defect and overturned.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. unhurt
    Member

    No. The language implies instability and perhaps incompetence on the part of the rider.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. LaidBack
    Member

    Radio at lunchtime brought up insurance for cyclists in its usual motor centric manner. (Not in relation to this incident though).
    What we need is Presumed Liability.

    Like the mythical road tax all discussions about cycling are always set in 1974.

    My wife is till shocked by this incident as am I. She sees quite a lot of close misses every day.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. algo
    Member

    @emuir - I was wondering the same, but I am concerned that whatever is organised should first consider the victim's family and if anything is done by way of protest (I'm sure a lot of us are feeling this way) it shouldn't be done without first their full blessing and involvement. I know all the PoP folk are already very good at this.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. ih
    Member

    @algo I think your thoughts on this tragedy are very appropriate. Nothing should be done without allowing the family of the young woman to grieve and then only with their agreement. At the right time, I would suggest a white bike in the vicinity, if the family agrees.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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