"We want it to be a visual as possible so that there is a clear message about what we want rather than just a bunch of angry cyclists."
Um
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Posted 7 years ago #
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As in, a photo of people standing by their bikes will have more impact if they are holding banners.
Otherwise it is just a picture of people standing.
Posted 7 years ago # -
"Otherwise it is just a picture of people standing"
Don't think the primary purpose is to suit picture editors.
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There comes a time when you have to show that people are getting angry about these needless deaths, or noting will change. But the most important thing is that we have numbers.
We are people not just another marginalised out group called "cyclists". the city should be safe for people to move around by active means, be it walking, kick scootering, skate boarding, cycling or whatever. It it good enough to simply say, as the Council does, "stay out of the way of motor vehicles and you will be fine.
The Council is doing a lot to promote Active Travel at the present, but far to little is being done to reduce the source of the danger. And that is very wrong!
Posted 7 years ago # -
Just a reminder: the tombstone event had just the tombstone and a white bicycle -
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10741&page=4#post-118959
It wasn't at a site where a bicycle rider died.
Posted 7 years ago # -
"The Council is doing a lot to promote Active Travel at the present, but far to little is being done to reduce the source of the danger. And that is very wrong!"
Which is good reason for having a noisier event at the City Chambers.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Look at what other cities are doing, they are holding protests at the site of the fatality. It has greater impact, it reminds people of the real danger at that location.
If you want an event at the City Chambers, go to the Spokes Bike Breakfast.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@kim, when is the bike breakfast this year?
Posted 7 years ago # -
Found programme, bike breakfast Thursday 15.06.17 from07.45 a.m. City chambers
Note also tram injury event on 12.06.17 at 14.00 Central Library
Posted 7 years ago # -
I think handwritten placards are better than a load of preprinted ones, as it allows more personal messages to come across. Encouraging people to make their own is probably the most effective way
Posted 7 years ago # -
I've got time all day tomorrow to make placards but (naively) I don't have materials. Can anyone help with materials or where to get them?
Posted 7 years ago # -
If you're near a Range they do an incredible amount of art and craft supplies for very cheap.
Posted 7 years ago # -
A propos comments above - a call to arms from the Ranty Highwayman...
http://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/where-does-tiptoeing-get-us.html?m=1
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POP news item here http://pedalonparliament.org/marking-the-death-of-zhi-min-soh/
Posted 7 years ago # -
ih Pound Shops are also good for cheap art stuff (not that I am a big consumer of this kind of thing, but it is where I get pavement chalks from).
Posted 7 years ago # -
"
Ian Maxwell of Spokes, said Dutch consultant Hans van der Stok’s report was “largely ignored” by TIE, the now defunct agency that delivered Edinburgh’s trams.
“It was our idea to bring over Stok and after his visit, we had a series of meetings with Edinburgh council and TIE, but the end result is that they didn’t take heed of his suggestions,” Mr Maxwell told The Sunday Times.
“It was very frustrating. The cycle lanes were lost on Princes Street because of the trams.” Stok concluded that the city’s busiest routes, including Princes Street and Leith Walk, were wide enough to accommodate cycle lanes alongside trams and traffic.
But when the first tram tracks were laid in 2009, cycle lanes disappeared from Princes Street.
Spokes helped bring Stok to Edinburgh, in the hope his know-how in road design would make the streets safer for cyclists.
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Posted 7 years ago # -
As predicted, first article calling for cyclists to be made to dismount or be banned from Princes St. Seeing a lot of similar comments elsewhere (including in some particularly unpleasant posts on the EEN Facebook page). Won't be long before some councillors start saying the same - what's the response?
Posted 7 years ago # -
Is "No." too simple to work?
Posted 7 years ago # -
This opinion is symptomatic of what is wrong with society. Go for the simple but stupid approach.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Not just simple and stupid but impossible to implement.
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"As predicted, first article calling for cyclists to be made to dismount or be banned from Princes St."
This was proposed/assumed to be what would happen (by CEC) from the very early days of tram planning.
Apart from being a bad idea (people with bikes should be encouraged to visit/shop), it would be unenforceable - and the police made it clear they wouldn't be interested in trying.
Of course in the early days it was also assumed that there would be no buses on Princes Street when the tram started running. The idea was east and west 'interchanges'.
The Edinburgh public made it clear they weren't up for that.
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Just to be clear, the call for a ban isn't coming from Helen Martin.
She has attracted some scorn from cyclists in the past for some of her views, but she has no control over EN commenters!
My bold
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There must be an emergency -and temporary – solution, pending a dramatic re-think. Create as many city centre cycle lanes as possible to which cyclists are confined. Where there are no cycle lanes in the centre, cyclists could be forced to dismount and use pedestrian crossings on foot, before joining the next dedicated lane. The only obvious and unacceptable, immediate alternative is to ban cyclists.
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(She does say forced to dismount - but that's just silly...!)
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"Confined"? Why not "segregated"?
Posted 7 years ago # -
One possible solution for Princes Street/Lothian Road junction is a short cyclist only phase on the lights - allowing cyclists to safely cross the tram lines without mixing with motorised traffic. These have been installed at dangerous junctions in London, such as the Bow roundabout. This could be done quickly and reasonably cheaply.
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"Just to be clear, the call for a ban isn't coming from Helen Martin."
That seems to be precisely what she's saying, from the article quote you give. This maniacal piece needs a response from an articulate writer who understands cycling and transport issues better than Helen Martin.
Also from the Martin article:
"In such a concentrated city centre, not every route can be lined with safe cycle lanes, especially at major, central junctions such as Princes Street and Lothian Road where the accident took place."
Yes, Helen, they can have safe cycle lanes in every space I can think of, and especially at junctions, where efforts should be concentrated. All it needs is an open mind.
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"Confined"? Why not "segregated"?"
Mix of ignorance and prejudice?
Continue on new thread(?)
Posted 7 years ago # -
"That seems to be precisely what she's saying, from the article quote you give."
No, but she does favour 'forced dismount where there are no proper lanes' which is fundamentally stupid.
Continue on new thread(?)
Posted 7 years ago # -
"Otherwise it is just a picture of people standing"
Don't think the primary purpose is to suit picture editors.
Maybe not a primary purpose; but surely a very significant purpose.
It might be at odds with the show of respect for this totally unnecessary killing, but there is most certainly a large element of "enough is enough", and who else can communicate that better than the picture editors?
Posted 7 years ago # -
"and who else can communicate that better than the picture editors?"
There are times when demos with lots of placards can be photogenic.
The photos of PoP where generally of people on bikes.
I suspect at 8:30 on a work day there won't be too many banners.
The piper with a bunch of people with bikes should be a 'picture'.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Spokes's article on the background to the tram layout design:-
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