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Compendium of small barriers to Edinburgh Active Travel

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  • Started 7 years ago by HankChief
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  1. HankChief
    Member

    Letter sent - Sorry for the delay & using only West Edinburgh examples - (they are the ones I'm familiar with)

    I'll let you know when I get a response, in the meantime do keep adding your examples https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/issues#map-pane

    HC

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    Hi Lesley,

    A couple of weeks ago on a twitter exchange (I’m @Hank_chief btw), I promised to send you a list of small issues that make Active Travel more difficult than it needs to.

    Thanks to the good people on CItyCyclingEdinburgh I crowd sourced a list of issues http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17876 . To help bring some order to the list and give specific & identifiable locations I asked people to log their issue on using the CycleScape tool https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/issues#list-pane

    There are quite a few and it may seem overwhelming at first but I expect that many of them will already be on the radar of the Active Travel team as they are likely to have been raised before.

    I don’t know if this tool works for you and the Active Travel team or not, and I’m more than happy to take feedback if there is a better way or if the addition of photos etc would make it easier to comprehend. Similarly if it would be helpful to do some form of prioritisation, then I’m sure that we find willing volunteers to assist with this.

    I would bring to your attention some common themes which impact the ease and speed for making journeys by active means and so discourage the switch from motorised means.

    1. Reaction time of Signalised Crossings
    2. Missing dropped kerbs / steps.
    3. Chicanes
    4. Path surfaces

    1. Signalised crossings give a chance for active travellers to safely cross a road. In many cases there is a long wait before the active traveller gets a green light, often but not always without a significant volume of vehicle passing. This can be infuriating and only goes to reinforce a feeling of motor vehicle prioritisation as you wait for your time to cross. It also leads to people choosing not to wait and risking crossing without the protection of the traffic signals.

    2. Missing dropped kerbs & steps can be a significant barrier to active travel. Wheelchairs, Prams, bikes (especially non standard ones e.g. towing a trailer) do not take kindly to high kerbs or steps. Your option are to bump up/down if you are physically able or reroute away from your desire line. The 6 Craigmount steps at the Southern Entrance to Craigmount HS is a very good example of this, on a well used route and with a very long alternative. https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/issues/1164-ramped-access-required

    3. Edinburgh has many chicanes which create conflict by restricting the usable width of a route and at their most extreme prevent people from using the route. With the roll out of 20mph, this will reduce the risks associated with a child running onto the street and so many historic chicanes will be redundant. Where a chicane is absolutely necessary, it should meet the standard of 3metres between gates at least 1.5m gap between gate and edge of path, so that non standard bicycles can pass through. The Dovecot/Broomhall chicane on Quiet Route 9 is one such example of a barrier to active travel. https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/issues/2702-tight-chicane-often-overgrown-bushes

    4. There are several well used paths than are not tarmacked and are rocky/bumpy and can become muddy in wet weather. This can be a problem if you don’t have a suitable bike / shoes for the condition of the path. Getting a puncture from bumpy paths or getting dirty from muddy puddles will put you off cycling / walking a route. The path from Davidson’s Mains Tesco to the Blackhall path is a good example of a well used short path that isn’t good quality https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/issues/2708-blackhall-path-to-tescos-to-be-tarmaced

    As I said earlier, I hope this is helpful, please do get in touch if there is anything further we can do.

    All the best for your convenorship,

    Hankchief

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. HankChief
    Member

    A quick response from Lesley even after midnight...

    Dear Hank

    Thank you very much indeed for compiling this information - I really appreciate the efforts that you and your fellow contributors have made to help me get to grips with the issues you face cycling around the city.  

    You are correct - there are an enormous number of suggestions and comments to absorb. I'll use it as a checklist for discussions with the Active Travel team and, if it's ok with you, I'll come back to you for a second part to this discussion?

    Once again, my thanks

    Lesley 

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. Stickman
    Member

    Top work, and an encouraging response.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @HankChief

    Sterling work, thank you!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Yes well done HC (and everyone on here who contributed).

    It's good that CycleScape has been 'reactivated'.

    Getting to grips with it won't suit everyone (not that difficult, but you need to register and read stuff).

    Good for Lesley to engage and I'm she will follow through.

    BUT

    The problem isn't really about CEC not realising that there are small things to be sorted.

    It's still about priorities and budgets and attitudes and conventions - not least the underlying 'priority for traffic llow'.

    The other Leslie achieved a lot in the past five years or so, hope the new one will manage more!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The problem isn't really about CEC not realising that there are small things to be sorted.

    If I was a politician I would encourage vocal minorities to sweat over small stuff to keep them busy while I got on with the big stuff.

    Madame IWRATS won't cycle to work because she has a perfectly reasonable fear of being killed, injured or assaulted.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Councillor Lesley Macinnes, Convener of Transport and Environment for the City of Edinburgh Council writes for us on the need for traffic to slow down and for drivers to take heed of the 20 mph speed limits.

    "

    http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2017/07/edinburgh-councillor-blogs-councillor-lesley-macinnes/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. HankChief
    Member

    Looking at the Transport COmmittee Papers I see that Cllr Booth got through a Motion for the items raised in Spokes' recent competition

    "to refer the Spokes document describing the competition entries to each Locality Manager (or other relevant section of the Council) with a request that they identify the proposals within their area of responsibility, assess the feasibility of each proposal, undertake the relevant work to take appropriate proposals forward, and report back on a quarterly basis to the relevant locality committee (once formed) and to the Transport and Environment Committee on progress to implement the proposals"

    Good work.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. Frenchy
    Member

    Minor victory!

    IMG_20171027_084215

    Requested dropped kerbs here in May.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Took me a little while to deduce where that is.

    https://goo.gl/maps/Y9PSDkZfxNL2

    Gilmerton Road - Liberton/Gilmerton - The pavement on the west side of Gilmerton Road, just to the south of the junction with Moredun Dykes Road, has a gap in it which should be fixed. I think this dates from when the entrance to the dentist's car park was on Gilmerton Road. Unfortunately there aren't even dropped kerbs, so the pavement poses difficulties for anyone with limited mobility.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. acsimpson
    Member

    5 months is fast. Although looks like a quick fix

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. neddie
    Member

    Some good news: One and a half permit bays removed and replaced with double yellow lines, to restore access between Leamington Walk and Spottiswoode St. (With obligatory illegally parked 4x4 on top of them)

    by Ed, on Flickr

    Just a shame they won't move the bins blocking the next path further up...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    Brilliant! I've been going that way occasionally for the past few months and been baffled at the poor access.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    We had the double yellow lines in Balerno repainted yesterday. Today a morbidly obese family parked on them as nearer Scotmid than err, Scotmid's car park. I asked in Scotmid after they had gone if they were special people who did not need to follow regulations. The under manager said not Scotmid's role to enforce. I said I was only seeking some light banter but fear he was in bad mood. Was also extracting two quid off him for wrongly priced chateau neuf du pape I was buying for pal who favours this wine, in exchange for some logs he has given me to burn.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. Frenchy
    Member

    I recently asked the council to remove these barriers from the footpath through The Murrays. A few weeks ago, I got a reply saying that the barriers are required in order to prevent the path being used by motorcyclists. So I pointed out that they don't stop motorcyclists (but are very good at inhibiting pedestrians and wheelchair users) since there's a motorbike-sized gap to the side of the barriers:

    This morning, I noticed that another barrier has been added to the path, at the Lasswade Road end. This one does even less to deter motorcyclists:

    ARGHGHGHGGHGLLLHGHGHGHGGH!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Do motorbikes go there?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. Frenchy
    Member

    Do motorbikes go there?

    Whilst it's certainly possible, I've never seen one. But I only walk along there about once a week, and perhaps not at motorbikes-on-footpaths rush hour, if such a thing exists.

    Also, a local police office officer, when I suggested removing the first barrier told me that to do so would lead to motorcyclists starting to use it - which suggests that, if they are already doing so, nobody's complaining to the police about it.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. Blueth
    Member

    I'm always baffled by the logic of the authorities on this. Motorcyclists have no desire to use these paths.

    The neds involved in the current spate of motorcycle thefts are a different kettle of fish and won't be put off by any barrier but particularly not by one with a large gap at the side.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. Frenchy
    Member

    Good news and bad news!

    The barriers at Craigmillar Castle Avenue were removed this morning!

    They'll be put back on Tuesday.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. Frenchy
    Member

    From the council, regarding the barrier at Lasswade Road I posted about above:

    "An Engineer met with our contractor on site to establish the most suitable location for the barrier chicane. This is based on the standard design for such features [link]."

    Baffling.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. Snowy
    Member

    Baffling, and the phrase 'not to scale' is highly applicable there!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    The barriers at Craigmillar Castle Avenue were removed this morning!

    They'll be put back on Tuesday.

    These are now on the works list and will be removed permanently! (some time next year)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. wingpig
    Member

    The site of the former stupid gate between Warriston Road and the Tesco path still only has the markings for future bollards, but no bollards yet. There is a similar trailer-blocking bollard-pilot-hole at the north end of the St Mark's Path bridge.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. Frenchy
    Member

    Barriers on the Hope Lane bridge over Harry Lauder Road have been widened: https://twitter.com/SpokesPorty/status/1220671593493467142

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Just a reminder

    Now we are about to have a new council, might be worth starting a new list…

    Wonder how many things are still outstanding??

    (From first post here - “ our new Transport Convenor, Lesley McInnes has asked for details of other small items that make Active Travel harder than it needs to be.

    So here's our chance to crowd source a list for her.”)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. toomanybikes
    Member

    Absense of dropped curbs and keep clear paint at the end of Bingham Drive up towards the Innocent. Keep clear paint at the filter on Peffer Place (once construction ends).

    List of a million one way exemptions.

    Speed up cycle traffic lights along Fishwives Causeway crossing of Harry Lauder Road and the slow Seafield Road East one.

    Wider cycle lane along the bends along Seafield Road. They plan to drop the speed limit so no need for road to be so wide.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. Arellcat
    Moderator

    New thread to take us into 2022:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20944

    Posted 2 years ago #

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