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Edinburgh Cycle Hire Scheme

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  1. pringlis
    Member

    Yes, sorry - I should have said virtual docking/parking zones like the ones they're testing on the high street.

    I suspect there'd be more pushback to bike zones on pavements now than a few years ago, especially from disability charities who've been pushing for cutting back on street clutter. Seems more sensible to leave them on the carriageway, by reallocating some parking spaces. Maybe Cllr Arthur will drop feed more on that... If opening in 2025 then just over a year sounds right for that, given we aren't far from 2024 now!

    Posted 5 months ago #

  2. Morningsider
    Member

    I think the Council could probably use an Experimental TRO to designate on-road hire bike parking spots, which could be up and running in a matter of days. The consultation would then take place while the scheme was in operation.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    https://micromobilitybiz.com/pashley-looks-to-smart-future-for-its-bike-share-schemes/amp/

    Posted 5 months ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    “

    I’m talking about Glasgow City Council’s booming cycle hire scheme – along with positive vibes from its Edinburgh counterpart, which I’m told is “very optimistic indeed” it can finally revive a rental system in the capital.

    …

    I find it extraordinary that Edinburgh has been without a scheme for three years after the Just Eat-sponsored operation run by original London scheme providers Serco ended over funding in the face of significant vandalism problems.

    But I hear there may be positive news in April, with two firms – Lime and Dott – offering a service at no cost to the council. Fingers crossed it’s second time lucky.

    “

    https://web.archive.org/web/20240229161223/https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/glasgow-ovo-bikes-hire-schemes-soaraway-success-an-example-to-edinburgh-alastair-dalton-4535129

    Billions for trams nothing for cycle hire.

    #ThisIsEdinburgh

    Posted 1 month ago #

  5. Morningsider
    Member

    "At no cost to the Council" - I suspect they will get exactly what they pay for.

    Posted 1 month ago #

  6. neddie
    Member

    Can you imagine if they provided road maintenance "at no cost to the council"?

    Well I guess they could allow private companies (like junk food corporations) to charge tolls, and obliterate the city with advertising, to keep the roads repaired... would that work?

    Posted 1 month ago #

  7. Morningsider
    Member

    The cost of the tram extension business case could support an improved Edinburgh cycle hire scheme for the next 80+ years.

    This is based on the stated £44m cost of the tram business case and ongoing revenue support for the cycle hire scheme of £0.5m per year, plus £1.3m capital investment for improved security and other tweaks, which was calculated by CEC at the end of the Just Eat cycle hire scheme.

    Add inflation and I reckon you would still get at least 40+ years. The cycle hire scheme could be on the streets within months.

    Posted 1 month ago #

  8. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.como.org.uk/shared-bikes/starting-and-running-successful-schemes

    Posted 1 month ago #

  9. doorsgalaxy
    Member

    "At no cost to the Council" was also the supposed MO of the original Just Eat Cycle scheme. Serco covered all the up-front capital and revenue costs, and CEC/TfE provided officer support to get sponsorship / other external funding in place, and arrange installation of docks etcs. The only reason I can see the likes of Lime being more successful is that it's propped up by VC cash. Lime only turned a profit for the first time last year.

    Posted 1 month ago #

  10. Tulyar
    Member

    Surprised that Lime might be able to comply with stricter Scottish requirements per Section 97 Road Sc Act 1984 - to operate under a street trading licence - with T&C & KPI on managing bikes on street

    Interesting that Glasgow & Stirling using very much the model I have liked in 28 years of working on public bike hire schemes, with local bike projects delivering local maintenance & management for a world wide system, operating in around 30 countries

    Nose diving in Scotland/UK have been Serco, Ride On & Bewegen

    Brompton Hire has seen 4 hire docks going in at Oban, Inverness, Elgin & Stornoway with a long term leasing deal that works out from around £1.50/day

    Best bet for Edinburgh might be to start with smaller site specific details (eg EDI & showground or Bioquarter/ERI/Shawfair Station/A 720 P&R)

    As per Stirling perhaps Edinburgh can work with Saughton college of crimimality & correction to deliver cycle hire scheme with local management staff

    Posted 1 month ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Hi, thank you for asking. We are currently not able to confirm that Lime Bikes will be available in Edinburgh in the near future.

    “

    https://twitter.com/_limeaid/status/1771134071264940168

    Posted 1 month ago #

  12. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Interesting that Glasgow & Stirling using very much the model I have liked in 28 years of working on public bike hire schemes... Nose diving in Scotland/UK have been Serco, Ride On & Bewegen

    I've heard that Nextbike in Glasgow has raised its prices and personal membership is £24/month, and a 20 minute hire is now £2. That's a lot. Annual memberships seem to have been removed for new users but grandfathered for existing users.

    Posted 1 month ago #

  13. boghall
    Member

    Bike share shouldn't be a bellwether of cycling progress. The economics are poor globally except in specific circumstances, which Edinburgh only really satisfies over summer. It can work more widely, but commonly requires permanent subsidy, money which may be better spent (i.e. engender more new cycling & higher RoI) encouraging those who already have access to a bike (the great majority) to get back on it...

    Posted 1 month ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    “Bike share shouldn't be a bellwether of cycling progress.”

    That’s (probably!) true in Ed.

    “permanent subsidy”

    Which of course is why CEC is keen on ‘at no cost to taxpayers’. Sounds good, but many things are ‘subsidised’ often with much less controversy. Of course it all depends on ‘objectives’. May or may not be a good idea for CEC to subsidise a bike hire scheme.

    “money which may be better spent (i.e. engender more new cycling & higher RoI) encouraging those who already have access to a bike (the great majority) to get back on it...”

    Presume you mean better infrastructure?

    If so, would hope those without bikes can benefit too.

    But apart from ‘capital v revenue’ and ‘different budgets’ no idea if any comparative CBAs have been done for bike hire, infrastructure or rampant provision for car use!

    Posted 1 month ago #

  15. Morningsider
    Member

    @boghall - it might surprise you, but 'the great majority' of people do not have access to a bike in Scotland. 62.5% of Scottish households did not have access to an adult bike in 2022. 16% had access to one bike, 13.5% to two and 8% to three or more.

    As ever, the distribution is not even. 79% of households in the 20% most deprived areas had no access to a bike, compared to 44% in the least deprived 20% of areas.

    Source: Transport and Travel in Scotland 2022, Social Survey table 18a.

    Posted 1 month ago #

  16. boghall
    Member

    @Morningsider It does surprise me a little, as I was quoting numbers I thought I'd read a few years back but inevitably now can't find. It's reported as 47% in England (Statista), though Shimano's figures are close to yours at 37%. I entirely agree that as in so much else, inequity is an issue.
    Still, the substantive point stands: there's a colossal fleet of bicycles sitting unused in sheds nationwide that will always dwarf by 1-2 orders of magnitude any conceivable share fleet (conservatively in Edinburgh 112k of them: 238k households x .47, ignoring multiple ownership).

    Posted 1 month ago #

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