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Edinburgh Cycle Hire Scheme

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  • Started 8 years ago by Harts Cyclery
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  1. LaidBack
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    Voi's overview pdf makes all the right noises.

    https://www.voi.com/

    Started in Stockholm 2018. Think e-scooters were their first love. They claim that their Ninebot made Scooters are made of 30% recycled materials and are 90% recyclable. They last now 5 years.
    The bikes are made in Italy and they hope to sign up a Danish battery manufacturer. (Promovec?)

    They point out that an e-car uses six times the mineral content to produce than an ICE one (though no doubt their employees will be e-enthusiasts!)

    Lots of civilised street images with transport heirarchy.

    Q.Will the scheme here have a scooter option? Not legal?

    Posted 1 day ago #
  2. Morningsider
    Member

    @Laidback - hire e-scooters in the UK are stuck in a kind of "trial period" statutory purgatory. The trial could be extended to allow hire e-scooters in a Scottish city, but I'm not aware of any plans to do so. Also, you need a driving licence to use a hire e-scooter at present!

    Posted 1 day ago #
  3. bakky
    Member

    Going to a Voi media event on Friday morning - does anyone have questions?

    Posted 1 day ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Now there’s a Q.

    Posted 1 day ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    All the basics.

    Rollout rate?

    Geofenced city centre limit?

    Expectations - bike numbers next year, usage predictions, theft/damage?

    All electric?

    Scooters?

    Maintenance - staff or ‘partner’?

    Relocation system to ‘balance’ demand/supply?

    Obviously price structure - but I assume there will be a handout with that.

    Etc

    Posted 1 day ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    @bakky - thanks. Assuming parking is in virtual docks, it would be good to get a map or list of where these will be (at least the initial tranche) and when they will become active.

    I second @chdot's question about rollout - this is where the Serco scheme fell down. Rollout was erratic, poorly planned and almost never communicated to users. It would be good to see plans, dates, and clear communication channels.

    Posted 20 hours ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Edinburgh’s transport convener Stephen Jenkinson has expressed interest in the city participating in future trials once enabling Scottish legislation is in place, telling the Inquirer:

    https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/first-e-bikes-next-e-scooters-edinburgh?

    Posted 19 hours ago #
  8. ejstubbs
    Member

    From that article: "Electric scooters divide opinion, but more may be coming to pavements and streets near you" Er, I hope not pavements - except for parking, in well-chosen non-obstructive locations. Most of the ones you see being used, illegally, at the moment are being used on the pavement. We had an uncomfortably close encounter with one being ridden through a bus stop on Colinton Road the other day (and people already think that cycle lanes and bus stops are potential conflict points). Maybe the use of the legal hire ones will be policed more rigorously rather than the current "not allowed to use them so not worth policing them" attitude which currently seems to prevail.

    I'm sorry to say this, because I know that some people regard e-scooters as one part of the solution to excessive car use, but from my encounters with them to date, being used both legally and illegally in the UK and abroad, e-scooters seem to be another form of powered transport that encourages irresponsible use, in the same way that motor cars and motor cycles did back in the early 20th century. As was gradually realised back then, the responsible use of such devices needs to be effectively policed if they are not to become yet another tyrannical threat to people who choose to travel in genuinely active ways, rather than just standing up and twisting a throttle.

    Posted 16 hours ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “I'm sorry to say this, because I know that some people regard e-scooters as one part of the solution to excessive car use, but from my encounters with them to date, being used both legally and illegally in the UK and abroad, e-scooters seem to be another form of powered transport that encourages irresponsible use“

    I think the dangers potentially outweigh the benefits, but it might be useful to have a ‘well run’ (mmm) trial to show it’s a bad idea…

    Posted 16 hours ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    I think the dangers potentially outweigh the benefits, but it might be useful to have a ‘well run’ (mmm) trial to show it’s a bad idea…

    I agree but a recent trip to Barcelona (where they have several hire companies competing) showed Voi customers travelling side by side - one on bike and one on scooter. Of course this was an their city cyclepaths which are very well used.
    Younger riders may favour scooters with their promise of zero exercise and zero chance of oil on clothing. Plus sharing a scooter with a friend is 'a cool thing to do'. Yes it will break the hire rules if not the scooter itself. Voi of course would make more from e-scooters. Easier to maintain and transport etc. Less material to make than an e-bike bla de bla...

    Posted 15 hours ago #
  11. steveo
    Member

    I must admit, if I could keep an electric scooter in the driveway without excessive security I'd use it more than the car or the bike. Car for obvious reasons but my bike needs to be locked in a secure box in the garden (with a leopard) that takes time to retrieve. A quick grab and go would make life a lot easier.

    But the roads are not upto it and if it was pavement safe it would be no quicker than jogging.

    Posted 13 hours ago #

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