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Edinburgh Cycle Hire Scheme

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  1. LaidBack
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    Voi's overview pdf makes all the right noises.

    https://www.voi.com/

    Started in Stockholm 2018. Think e-scooters were their first love. They claim that their Ninebot made Scooters are made of 30% recycled materials and are 90% recyclable. They last now 5 years.
    The bikes are made in Italy and they hope to sign up a Danish battery manufacturer. (Promovec?)

    They point out that an e-car uses six times the mineral content to produce than an ICE one (though no doubt their employees will be e-enthusiasts!)

    Lots of civilised street images with transport heirarchy.

    Q.Will the scheme here have a scooter option? Not legal?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. Morningsider
    Member

    @Laidback - hire e-scooters in the UK are stuck in a kind of "trial period" statutory purgatory. The trial could be extended to allow hire e-scooters in a Scottish city, but I'm not aware of any plans to do so. Also, you need a driving licence to use a hire e-scooter at present!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. bakky
    Member

    Going to a Voi media event on Friday morning - does anyone have questions?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Now there’s a Q.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    All the basics.

    Rollout rate?

    Geofenced city centre limit?

    Expectations - bike numbers next year, usage predictions, theft/damage?

    All electric?

    Scooters?

    Maintenance - staff or ‘partner’?

    Relocation system to ‘balance’ demand/supply?

    Obviously price structure - but I assume there will be a handout with that.

    Etc

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    @bakky - thanks. Assuming parking is in virtual docks, it would be good to get a map or list of where these will be (at least the initial tranche) and when they will become active.

    I second @chdot's question about rollout - this is where the Serco scheme fell down. Rollout was erratic, poorly planned and almost never communicated to users. It would be good to see plans, dates, and clear communication channels.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Edinburgh’s transport convener Stephen Jenkinson has expressed interest in the city participating in future trials once enabling Scottish legislation is in place, telling the Inquirer:

    https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/first-e-bikes-next-e-scooters-edinburgh?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. ejstubbs
    Member

    From that article: "Electric scooters divide opinion, but more may be coming to pavements and streets near you" Er, I hope not pavements - except for parking, in well-chosen non-obstructive locations. Most of the ones you see being used, illegally, at the moment are being used on the pavement. We had an uncomfortably close encounter with one being ridden through a bus stop on Colinton Road the other day (and people already think that cycle lanes and bus stops are potential conflict points). Maybe the use of the legal hire ones will be policed more rigorously rather than the current "not allowed to use them so not worth policing them" attitude which currently seems to prevail.

    I'm sorry to say this, because I know that some people regard e-scooters as one part of the solution to excessive car use, but from my encounters with them to date, being used both legally and illegally in the UK and abroad, e-scooters seem to be another form of powered transport that encourages irresponsible use, in the same way that motor cars and motor cycles did back in the early 20th century. As was gradually realised back then, the responsible use of such devices needs to be effectively policed if they are not to become yet another tyrannical threat to people who choose to travel in genuinely active ways, rather than just standing up and twisting a throttle.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “I'm sorry to say this, because I know that some people regard e-scooters as one part of the solution to excessive car use, but from my encounters with them to date, being used both legally and illegally in the UK and abroad, e-scooters seem to be another form of powered transport that encourages irresponsible use“

    I think the dangers potentially outweigh the benefits, but it might be useful to have a ‘well run’ (mmm) trial to show it’s a bad idea…

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    I think the dangers potentially outweigh the benefits, but it might be useful to have a ‘well run’ (mmm) trial to show it’s a bad idea…

    I agree but a recent trip to Barcelona (where they have several hire companies competing) showed Voi customers travelling side by side - one on bike and one on scooter. Of course this was an their city cyclepaths which are very well used.
    Younger riders may favour scooters with their promise of zero exercise and zero chance of oil on clothing. Plus sharing a scooter with a friend is 'a cool thing to do'. Yes it will break the hire rules if not the scooter itself. Voi of course would make more from e-scooters. Easier to maintain and transport etc. Less material to make than an e-bike bla de bla...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. steveo
    Member

    I must admit, if I could keep an electric scooter in the driveway without excessive security I'd use it more than the car or the bike. Car for obvious reasons but my bike needs to be locked in a secure box in the garden (with a leopard) that takes time to retrieve. A quick grab and go would make life a lot easier.

    But the roads are not upto it and if it was pavement safe it would be no quicker than jogging.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. bakky
    Member

    Made a wee thing with a pile of Voi screenshots...

    Ahead of Voi's launch we've got a walk-through gallery of screenshots from their app, talking about the different features: https://edi.bike/projects/2025-08-voi-app/

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Presume a write-up is coming

    Scrolling through the screenshots it’s clear they are experienced

    Don’t think this is optimum wording -

    Where to ride

    Ride in bike lanes or on the road close to the pavement.

    Will be interesting to see where the zones are in Ed -

    In the “no-riding zone” is the power assist off or bike ‘locked’ in some way, or ‘abuse of conditions’ recorded?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. neddie
    Member

    £29/month or £350 per year seems steep. That would get you two whole bikes from the Bike Station, that you get to keep for as long as you want... (albeit not electric)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. neddie
    Member

    Can't wait for all the stooshies over what should be a slow zone or not, and the "why have they banned riding here?"s

    Living Streets Edinburgh, the famous cycle haters, will have a field day!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    From the app

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. Yodhrin
    Member

    Is the helmet condition one imposed by Voi to reduce their liability(because they know basically nobody will, allowing them to put blame on the rider if a wonky bike causes an accident), or has some twerp at the council told them to put that in?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin


    Love them or loathe them, rental cycles are changing how cities move and rural Britain might be next. Time to understand how they really work

    About 800,000 of the four million lifetime users who have rented a bike, according to Lime’s research, had never cycled in London before.

    https://archive.ph/2025.08.23-153603/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/lime-bikes-britain-london-life-st66jcgvh

    Posted 2 months ago #
  19. acsimpson
    Member

    Regardless of the reasons, putting helmets in that list is strange. If they include one thing that is optional does that mean the others are optional too. I know they aren't but will it, For instance, mean people take the driving licence requirement to be optional too?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. Tulyar
    Member

    I've been working on & with public bike hire for at least 30 years & have seen the business & legislative models that work & last with sustainable revenues &c

    The 1995 CityBikeCPH scheme was well set up & lasted 19 years (free bike hire, controlled area, training scheme for technicians - 80% rising up a career path) until the developments of data communication, folding bikes, EAPC etc changed the operating details radically

    In Scotland Section 97 (Roads (Sc) 1984, enables the council to licence all commercial use of public roads so that the operators of bike hire (AND food delivery!) can have T&C & KPI regulated through the Council as independent governance for their duty of care to operate without causing harm.

    Because of this Council licensing we never had the same problems with Mobike & OfO flooding the streets with unregulated bikes, and I also tipped Network Rail off when the Donkey Bike scheme started listing the public bike parking at several London Rail Termini as hire hubs, with no permission or licences from Network Rail

    I wonder about how the launch of Voi in will impact Edinburgh & Scotrail/Network Rail for sites - eg will the racks at Haymarket, Waverley &c get clogged by Voi bikes without any permission/control?. Are NR & Scotrail prepared to manage this?

    Please point out any T&C/Licensing that Edinburgh Council has included by PM

    The model I worked on for Glasgow embraced community engagement, by placing the contract for management & maintenance through Bike for Good (which grew out of the Glasgow Bike Station)-this now runs as Velogik a commercial operation with a link to the charity element which is Bike for Good (as happens for many charities to keep these aspects as connected but separate, and often the commercial operation gifts any profits or services to help the charity)

    In Edinburgh Serco attempted to work with Bike for Good/Bike Station, but it seemed like there was a corporate culture mismatch?

    Velogik is also a contractor for Leeds, where Beryl Bikes has the contract/concession to provide the bike hire, and Beryl is also delivering for Birmingham and Manchester, and Nextbike delivers for Milton Keynes and other locations

    I believe that this local 'ownership' and other factors (see later) have delivered the lower rates of 'attrition' for the Glasgow scheme, and especially where the maintenance of the fleet has been integrated with training young offenders with skills (& references) to fill vacancies for technicians on release, much as Timpsons do for their shops/franchises. The 'hidden' benefit is that many of those who have a buy-in to the scheme, also have links to those likely to know those involved with damage to the bikes....(ah the Casa Nostra!) or their grannies use the bikes & even the most 'naughty' kids want to make their granny happy?

    Glasgow has also a Council engagement which has connected with groups enduring 'Transport Poverty'. Universities, which generate a massive number of short journeys have reduced the costs for providing car parking, and inter-site minibuses etc, by offering free or discounted bike scheme memberships

    New Scots (AKA Refugees/Asylum seekers &c) can sign up for a free Nextbike account, and go out for training, and local exploration/social rides organised with BikeforGood/Sustrans &c

    Those with transport poverty can get a 95% discount for an account, as a starting point, enabling them to get to work, or other activities, at minimal cost

    We also had the brilliant move of making completely free public access to the bikes during the UCI cycling races where road closures saw some hilarious outcries as those who drove short journeys had those disrupted by road closures found that cycling was both as fast as driving and immune to the road closures that prevented driving. Perhaps Edinburgh could deliver this during the Festival for local residents (see below)

    I've also been ditching the term Active Travel in favour of Total Mobility, with its roots in the 1996 project that connected public bike hire with bus passes, plus car clubs, (& tram passes, train tickets etc

    One way to rapidly deliver this is with the NEC (Saltire) Bus passes so that young people can get around without struggling to afford the crippling cost of car insurance & running a car, and older drivers can ease themselves out from driving to replace local car trips with cycling, and provide some valuable population health detail, recording cycle use against health benefits in this part of the city population

    At the recent Mobility as a service meeting I also connected Lothian Buses with Enterprise Mobility with the prospect that a Ridacard (unlimited bus travel for under £2 per day when the big debate is about a £3 single fare cap!) and this is exactly what I was working on in 1996 30 years ago. The 30 years of Edinburgh's leading role in car club development, also shows that the combination of a bus pass with a car club, and bike hire can massively reduce the size of the private car parc (typically 1 shared car replaces 20 owned cars that sit empty using up land for 95% of their lives. This deal boosts bus use, gets the bike share bikes moving and can rapidly get more car trips made by electric cars, but using fewer cars and fewer charging points - so much faster & cheaper then the £4000 bung to buy new cars with all the caveats

    Lastly the base-line revenue which was used from the start in Copenhagen, a core element of revenue to support the delivery was from bike branding (originally Coca-Cola) and based on the current media prices I track from BRAD/Willeys Guide we see the cost for a prime site 6-sheet poster (these pay for bus shelters in Edinburgh & many other cities) you can buy say 40-50 bikes with very mobile branding around the city at same price as a single poster on a bus shelter, and a daily income of £1.40-£1.70 per bike covers the cost of having bikes on the street. Glasgow's contract with OVO has been suspended whilst their retendering takes place, Manchester has Starling Bank, Milton Keynes has Santander.... Edinburgh seems to have nothing?

    My PM open & keen to learn more about practical experience with the the Hiyacar scheme that uses the normally idle pool car fleet of East Lothian Council at evenings/weekends for local residents at low cost - there are also schemes with Co-Wheels & Enterprise Mobility (the current Edinburgh car club concession operator) where a corporate car fleet is made available for wider use)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. bakky
    Member

    @Yodhrin Helmets in list hasn’t come from CEC - it’s in the Liverpool list too.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. acsimpson
    Member

    Do they have non electric bikes in their fleet too? Or are all of Edinburgh's young people excluded from the scheme?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    e-bikes only. What was the age limit for the Just Eat bikes?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  24. bakky
    Member

    Age not mentioned in the 2018 launch press Cllr McKenzie linked me to earlier in the week; its terms of use seem to still be online and say 16 years or over.

    Thanks all for questions - media event article here ahead of tomorrow's issue:

    https://edi.bike/articles/2025-08-24-voi-hire-bikes-media-launch/

    Posted 2 months ago #
  25. Morningsider
    Member

    @bakky - great update, thanks.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  26. bakky
    Member

    @Morningsider not at all - grateful for the input from the likes of CCE or I'd just be standing there going "Does it go fast, like?"

    Posted 2 months ago #
  27. CycleAlex
    Member

    No declared Soderberg pastries? You must have had better impulse control than me…

    FWIW in regard to geographic scope, the city centre and its adjacent CEC wards were mentioned to me as the initial plan.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  28. bakky
    Member

    Thanks Alex, that's a great heads up. I avoid Soderberg ever since the incident, I'm strictly Canopy crew now ;)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  29. Morningsider
    Member

    @CycleAlex - interesting. Looking at the map of ward boundaries, that is a pretty large area (which includes Morningside!) 50 bikes is nowhere near enough I would have thought, even for an initial pilot.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    “50 bikes is nowhere near enough I would have thought, even for an initial pilot.“

    Agree.

    More important perhaps is how soon it will be hundreds?

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    … then CEC will have to say why Voi was awarded the contract.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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