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LEZs

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  1. chdot
    Admin

  2. neddie
    Member

    The size of the Glasgow LEZ looks promisingly large:

    Let's hope Edinburgh's doesn't get watered down to the size of a postage stamp...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    LEZs won't solve this problem:

    Nicholas Sanderson‏ @Nicholas_I_S
    56% of PM pollution from vehicle tyres and brakes wearing away. Shifting to walking and cycling best solution.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/04/revealed-every-londoner-breathing-dangerous-levels-of-toxic-air-particle

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Snowy
    Member

    Seasonal too...pollution load in winter potentially much higher when you factor in wood burning stoves.

    "In January, during a period of very high air pollution, [wood burning stoves] contributed half the toxic emissions in some areas of the capital, according to King’s College London research."

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Snowy
    Member

    Things which can be done short-term - remove 'performance' sticky car tyres from sale/use, since these wear away much faster. Tyres designed for longevity rather than rally-style grip would presumably help significantly?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    David Miller‏ 
    @ObarChrombaidh

    Glasgow will be the location for Scotland's first low emission zone, @NicolaSturgeon tells #SNP17. Great news for public health.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Tulyar
    Member

    Looks as if, having kicked out commuter cars from our street when the CPZ regime arrived, we'll get some of them back to park just outside the LEZ and walk in to town. Then again it will put a premium on the parking space I can rent out to someone who remains a motoring addict.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    Oh the Transport Scotland consultation on LEZs is still open for responses until 28th November.

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/consultation/building-scotland-s-low-emission-zones/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. neddie
    Member

    Electric trolley buses with off-grid capability surely could help outwith the main tram routes:

    Untitled by Ed, on Flickr

    This one in Italy had diesel backup. Useful for passing obstructions or closed roads.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. PS
    Member

    Another thought on the (perhaps unforeseen) consequences of a city centre LEZ:

    As long as Scottish Government doesn't provide an exemption in respect of "the relatively low distances travelled within a LEZ for buses, coaches and
    commercial vehicles, compared to distances travelled out-with a LEZ" (which would pretty much undermine the entire thing), then there are going to be an awful lot of vans and wagons restricted from entering the city centre. This should stimulate demand for some last mile delivery services, either smaller electric vans or cargo bikes.

    Council vans are presumably pretty toxic vehicles too, so this could be the ideal opportunity for the council to invest in a fleet of cargo bikes for its city centre parks and maintenance teams...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

  12. acsimpson
    Member

    Not necessarily

    Car pollution very bad coming down from Liberton this morning. Best approach is to vent the exhaust into the car interior thus incentivising drivers to reduce their own pollution.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. neddie
    Member

    Reminder:

    Consultation closes today (28th Nov)

    https://consult.gov.scot/transport-scotland/building-scotlands-low-emission-zones/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    Crikey, what a consultationathon that was! Done. Eventually...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. ih
    Member

    Jeez yes, but did it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. neddie
    Member

    Done.

    That was epic

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. neddie
    Member

    The council's own submission to the LEZ consultation:
    (Appendix 2, page 63 of the T&E ctte papers)

    15. What measures (including LEZs) would make a difference in addressing both road congestion and air pollution emissions at the same time?

    Not a single mention of providing segregated bike lanes or other cycle infra!

    Only:

    A focus on softer tools to promote sustainable travel choices (e.g. sustainable travel plans for businesses

    Pretty lame

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. crowriver
    Member

    Edinburgh set for Scotland’s second low emission zone

    “The starting point is for the widest possible area because obviously a big concern is displacement,” he said. “What we don’t want to do is send some of the heaviest, largest and most polluting vehicles driven down some of our smallest, most residential streets.”

    Read more at: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-set-for-scotland-s-second-low-emission-zone-1-4675500

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-set-for-scotland-s-second-low-emission-zone-1-4675500

    Posted 10 months ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    MSPs have raised concerns about the tight timescale for implementing low emission zones (LEZs) in Scotland

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43217265

    Posted 9 months ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    Alex Quayle @MisterQuayle

    The results of the Scottish Government Low Emission Zone consultation have been published: *95%* of respondents support LEZs to improve air quality. That's a mandate for strong, prompt implementation.

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/41828/analysis-report-february-2018-consultation-on-building-scotland-s-low-emission-zones.pdf

    Posted 9 months ago #
  21. HankChief
    Member

    Glasgow's plans for a LEZ haven't gone done well.

    https://foe.scot/press-release/glasgow-low-emission-zone-no-ambition/

    How do we ensure Edinburgh is bolder?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    In this year’s budget the Scottish Government have committed £10.8m for LEZ delivery

    So no excuse really.

    Perhaps the pressure should be on SG.

    Contact MSPs(?)

    Posted 9 months ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    When are plans for Edinburgh's LEZ likely to be announced?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    From the foe statement:

    "The bus industry and the dinosaurs at Government agency Transport Scotland have succeeding in making sure the Glasgow LEZ proposals will fail to achieve clean air by 2020, the Scottish Government’s target date for compliance with safety standards."

    Doubtless old school SMIDGAF grins all round.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

  26. crowriver
    Member

    If any of these proposals actually happen they will be most welcome. They're hardly radical, just good practice from countries like Germany and Denmark...

    Posted 7 months ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    Not sure why Glasgow started with buses? Lorries in Glasgow are surely the biggest polluters? Lothian buses are slowly changing their fleet. Hopefully Edinburgh will start with lorries.? At some future date? Maybe.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    Given that private motor cars and light good vehicles (vans) make up the vast majority of motor traffic, it would make more sense to start with them. Lorries and buses may produce more pollution (such as particulates, Nox) per vehicles, but there are far fewer of these vehicles on the roads.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  29. neddie
    Member

    And it’s private cars that hold up all the buses & lorries, concentrating their pollution further.

    How have we got in a situation where it’s socially acceptable for private individuals to poison children, in the 21st Century?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    If you are trying to improve air quality then I'd have thought you'd go at those vehicles producing the greatest mass of pollutants first whatever that is.

    Posted 7 months ago #

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