@HankChief - as I said, we’ll look back on Nick Cook as transport spokesman as a golden age.
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LEZs
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Posted 3 years ago #
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@Stickman opposition spokesperson and as I say No cyclist can actually vote Tory in a rational view of Edinburgh. (Ok not rational, My view)
Posted 3 years ago # -
Just.
Utterly.
Useless."THE SCOTTISH Government has been told it is “not serious about urgent action on air pollution” after announcing proposed Low Emission Zones (LEZs) for the four biggest cities will be delayed until May 2022.
The proposals to introduce restrictions on polluting vehicles in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen were intended to be in place by December 2020. But due to the Covid-19 crisis, Transport Secretary Michael Matheson has confirmed the indicative timeframe for bringing in the plans has been shifted until between February and May 2022."
Posted 3 years ago # -
"But due to the Covid-19 crisis"
Aye right. Nowt to do with an election next year and lots of drivers voting. Oh no.
Footway parking "ban" (and anything else that threatens to be unpopular) delayed in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... "due to the Covid-19 crisis" of course.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Aren't there massively long grace periods too? So a delay to 2022 would actually mean cars aren't restricted until something silly like 2027 or 2028.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I like the picture of the F-reg (1986?) Ford Orion.
It must appeal to their increasingly fossilised reader demographic
Posted 3 years ago # -
@neddie "I like the picture of the F-reg (1986?) Ford Orion." - what confuses me is that it looks to be a Diesel with 1.6 Injection bumpers?!?!
Not completely sad / nerdy - One of my pals at school dad had a 1985 Orion Injection Ghia and the red bumper inserts were one of the distinguishers from lesser models!!
Posted 3 years ago # -
Action to reduce something which appears to worsen the pandemic (though causality hard to pinpoint) in addition to causing background deaths & health issues which place strain on the NHS will be delayed because of the pandemic.
That sounds reasonable.... <RULE2> idiots
Posted 3 years ago # -
I like the picture of the F-reg (1986?) Ford Orion.
Vehicle Details for F572 LTS
Vehicle make FORD
Vehicle model ORION L
Date of first registration August 1988
Year of manufacture 1988
Cylinder capacity 1608 cc
CO₂ emissions Not available
Fuel type DIESEL
Euro status Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE) Not available
Export marker No
Vehicle status Untaxed
Vehicle colour BLUE
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) 21 February 2003Naughty.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Edinburgh Western MP complaining about delays to LEZ is an interesting move.
https://twitter.com/cajardineMP/status/1300831784070832130?s=19
Posted 3 years ago # -
If only she had a colleague who worked at the Scottish parliament instead of spending his time on council matters.
Posted 3 years ago # -
LEZ in name only then. It's nice that tourists won't have to breathe in fumes as they amble down the Royal Mile. What about the rest if us? We're just supposed to put up with pollution presumably?
Posted 2 years ago # -
@crowriver still fairly dense/lower income population into the south side and towards tollcross?
Posted 2 years ago # -
@SRD, that's true. Notable that the residential parts of the New Town, Broughton and Leith are not included.
It's frankly hugely disappointing. CEC should have been much bolder.
Posted 2 years ago # -
We have an older diesel. As our mileage is so low, I'm waiting to go electric later, but I wondered if the Edinburgh LEZ might force our hand. No, I'll still be able to drive through the meadows, along Queen Street, through the park past Arthur's seat even (!!)
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I cannot believe... my volvo v40 - registered in july 2004 .. appears to be Euro 4...oh happy day. I'd love to go electric, but given their current pricetags I'd have to remortgage my home and sell off the cat to afford it...
Posted 2 years ago # -
“but given their current pricetags“
BUT
(Not that I’m investigating)
Someone on radio said -
A) secondhand market has more/cheaper cars now - fine if your daily mileage likely to be low - so relying on overnight charging rather than ‘on the road’.
B) current financing/leasing (not just for electrics) means even ‘expensive’ cars can be ‘affordable’.
Heretically I wonder if electric cars are better ‘value’ than electric bikes!
Presume we are some way off from optimum batteries in terms of range/life/environmental impact - what’s mined to make them and how much they can be recycled.
Posted 2 years ago # -
I'm like Dave & have a old diesel which won't be allowed in the city centre once the LEZ is up and charging folk (e.g. 2024)
Not sure when it was last driven within the small zone that is the LEZ (years not months), so no real incentive to go electric because of it.
I have been listening to the Fully Charged Show (YouTube & podcast), which has a myriad of information about electric cars and what it is like to actually own one / drive one (as well as other stuff on clean tech and the energy transition to non-carbon). Worth a listen.
Think we are a few years away from getting an EV assuming we can keep the current car on the road but it is useful source of info.
Anyone considering an EV in the short term should be aware that the Energy Saving Trust as doing interest free loans to help with the upfront costs of a new one, but they are still eye-wateringly expensive just now. Hopefully that should come down...
Posted 2 years ago # -
Saw three Teslas coming from backroad at Harbur; golf course this morning. Test drives maybe.
Posted 2 years ago # -
So thats me banned from downtowning in my 1958 Moggie aka Morris Minor
Reckon the old girl’s carbon foot print has been well eradicated by the number of trees I have planted in the last 50 years and no new steel consumed since its conception in CowleyThe moggie does have a rather distinctive fart or raspberry blowing noise when decelerating.
Mellifluous if not exactly fragrant as is in the nature a of most rear emissionsPosted 2 years ago # -
@jss - I've not been keeping up with this lately, but I'm pretty sure that the legislation had an exemption (or at least gave the option of an exemption) for cars that are more than 30 years old.
Posted 2 years ago # -
I knew full well that the (old, diesel) family car would be prohibited from town when I responded positively to the consultation.
The children (!) have just bought a (only slightly newer, petrol) car for learning to drive, but that will be permitted.
Unfortunately the scuba club's lock-up is (just) on the wrong side of the zone, which is one of the reasons we have a family car at all, but an industrial trolley to wheel kit across the Meadows will be cheaper than the cost of entering the LEZ!
Despite this, the sooner the better, as cars (however powered) aren't really suitable for moving people in town, even if they can be useful for moving scuba kit...
(A Bullitt can take 4 cylinders for filling ~70kg, if you take it slowly up/down Gilmore Place!)
Robert
Posted 2 years ago # -
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During a marathon transport committee meeting on Thursday, councillors agreed to consult the city’s residents on introducing a ‘low emission zone’ (LEZ), which would effectively ban older vehicles from the city centre.
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Posted 2 years ago # -
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Not being a petrol-head I was quite happy with something reliable to get from A to B, but as of 2024 it now appears that if B is on the other side of the city centre then a circuitous route will be needed to avoid new low emission zone (LEZ) now in Edinburgh Council’s pipeline, and the £60 fine a breach will entail.
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Posted 2 years ago # -
He hasn't looked at the proposals has he.
Posted 2 years ago # -
He doesn’t let facts get in the way of his high volume low quality Verbal hogwash
Posted 2 years ago # -
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The main impact is on people with older vehicles ─ pre-2015 diesels and petrol cars over 12 years old ─ and the hardest hit will be poorer people who can least afford to change them and it would be expected that people in this category would want to make their views known.
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But but think of the poor people…
Posted 2 years ago #
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