"quiet street" = signs only.
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WEATN - West Edinburgh Active Travel Network (WEL)
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HC - thanks. Disappointing that "quiet streets" are really just "streets".
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= indirect cop out.
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(but) = cheap and quickly deliverable...
Would be a much smaller route if they chose to segregate all of it. Choices need to be made given he funds available and the CL+ scheme had a maximum that could be applied for, which WEL took advantage of.
The lion share of it from South Gyle Broadway to Harvester Way is segregated with only a few bits shared use.
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Ian Maxwell, of cycling campaign group Spokes, said: “While this scheme is certainly a welcome addition to Edinburgh’s growing network, it is frustrating that nothing has been built in the two years since Edinburgh won this funding. The city risks losing this government funding if they cannot make some progress.”
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The website has seemed a bit buggy and disorganised for me so I wondered what everyone referencing, but I have managed to find the actual plans now. In case anyone else is having the same problem, here they are:
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-1-of-6.pdf
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-2-of-6.pdf
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-3-of-6.pdf
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-4-of-6.pdf
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-5-of-6.pdf
https://westedinburghlink.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/West-Edinburgh-Link-Concept-Design-6-of-6.pdfPosted 5 years ago # -
proposals to create more than two miles of segregated cycle tracks
They're just trolling us openly now aren't they?
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From link. -
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A series of drop-in events are being held at the Gyle Shopping Centre, Westside Plaza, and South Gyle Crescent from March 21.
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Further drop-ins
• Westside Plaza, 4 April, 12pm to 5.30pm
• South Gyle Crescent, 25 April, 8am-5.30pm
• Gyle Shopping Centre, 27 April, 10am to 4pmThese are very unfriendly times if you don't work or live in the area, yet these routes are significant for Edinburgh cyclists in general.
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Has anyone completed the survey and filled out your email address?
If so, did you get an acknowledgement email?
(I am starting to worry, because I sent the survey from work, which goes through a non-UK proxy)
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Filled it out quarter an hour ago. Haven't had an acknowledgement email yet, will let you know if that changes.
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I put together some thoughts on the details of the cycle route and used them to form my response o the survey. See below:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5ojq58gztxpc3u/weatn%20response.txt?dl=0
Please feel free to crib or use the info if writing your own response.
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"8. A segregated cycle connection needs to be made to the canal towpath."
Was looking at this myself recently. Do you have any ideas for a specific route?
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I saw these this weekend for the first time, which were very effective at slowing motor traffic down without impeding bicycles
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5332545,-0.1029628,3a,75y,184.37h,72.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVX42bG6btJoEUpRnRo8Rcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
everyone slowed down to about 2 mph to drive through them, encouraging use of the main road. Don't think you could get a HGV through if you wanted.
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It's...beautiful.
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There's something like that in Newbridge. I think it's to stop lorries coming through the village bit.
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Spokes response:-
WEST EDINBURGH LINK –
Consultation deadline 10 MaySpokes Response
Spokes welcomes the concept of a dedicated cycle route between Bughtlin and Wester Hailes. The main route goes reasonably direct, doesn't take devious ways "round-the-houses", and connects many popular destinations, though not the schools and large shopping centres. We are particularly impressed with the proposal for a new bridge over the Fife railway at Gogarloch Syke. There are a few details that we don't like, but nothing that can't be improved with some tweaks.
What we don't like
The segregated cycle path on Bankhead Avenue is only 2.5m wide, below standard. It should be the standard 3.0m wide.
The shared path on South Gyle Access is to be only 4m wide instead of the standard 5m. This is a pinch point as it goes under the railway and the tram line near a main junction of cycle routes, so it should be wider. The design will create a tight space at the NW corner of the junction, under the tram bridge, where cyclists heading eastwards along Quiet Route 8 will be waiting to cross the constricted 2-stage crossing of South Gyle Access (which looks unchanged from its present awful state) so causing conflict with cyclists heading north-south along the new link, not to mention pedestrians as well. One of the five traffic lanes should be removed to give more space for active travel.
At Wester Hailes Plaza the cycle way crosses a high-speed slip road leading from Wester Hailes Road to the shopping centre car park, with cars coming fast on the blind side of southbound cyclists; this will have to be re-drawn so that vehicles going into the car park have to slow down before reaching the crossing. At the exit from the car park it looks as though southbound cyclists are expected to cross Harvester's Way twice; we would prefer the cycle route kept to the east side of Harvester's Way, omitting the cycle link into Wester Hailes Road (I can't see why a cyclist would want to use it, uphill with fast heavy traffic and no destinations, when there is a perfectly good quiet street running parallel).
There is a similar awkwardly-angled slip road at the entrance to Sighthill Industrial Estate; we would like it removed with vehicles entering the Estate further along Calder Road, where the exit is.Links outside the area
The route should be designed to make it easy to add future connections with places outside the immediate area:
Across Queensferry Road to Cramond and National Cycle Route 1 at Braepark
Across Maybury Road to the proposed developments in West Craigs and Cammo (particularly important for school children going from there to Craigmount High School)
Across Drum Brae to Clermiston and north Corstorphine
To the schools at Craigmount, St Augustine's and Forrester
To the Gyle Centre and Hermiston Gait
To the canal at Cultins Road
To the Water of Leith path.Shopping centres
The route does not make it any easier to reach the shopping centres at Gyle and Hermiston Gait, both of which are hard to reach by bicycle.
At Gyle there are links to the edge of the centre, at least from the east and north-west, but then cyclists have to go through the car park to reach the shops and the cycle parking. A proper cycle route past Gyle Centre would also help to make a through route from Edinburgh Park to the path beside the A8; a route may be possible by the service road round the north side of the Gyle Centre, although that would not help to reach the Centre's main entrance. If a route through the Centre is difficult, the proposed railway bridge at Gogarloch Syke would allow another option to reach the A8 path, by using the south footway of Glasgow Road to reach the underpass at Edinburgh Gateway Station, making a route from South Gyle to Gogarburn without crossing a main road.
Hermiston Gait is fairly easy to reach going north, but difficult going south because of the oneway restriction on Cultins Road. There should be a two-way cycle route along the west side of Cultins Road, which would also make it easier to reach the canal from the north.
Other points
Crossings of main roads should be single-stage rather than two-stage. If a crossing must be twostage, the central island should be large enough to accommodate several cyclists using the crossing at once (for example, at school leaving times). If the crossing of the A8 at Dechmont Road has to remain two-stage, the layout should be re-jigged so that cyclists do not have to dismount to reach the push buttons on the central island.
Where side roads cross segregated cycle paths, there should be priority for cyclists at the junctions and adequate signs to make motorists aware that the cycle path has priority. Corner radii should be reduced to slow down traffic entering and leaving the side roads. This is particularly relevant in South Gyle Crescent and Bankhead Avenue.
The Maybury Drive segregated path should be extended further south to allow cyclists to avoid Maybury Drive when heading to or from Mearenside and Hayfield.
The route along Bughtlin Market mixes cyclists with parking and turning traffic and passes uncomfortably close to the front doors of East Craigs Church and the Medical Practice. We would prefer it to go along the more direct, wider, and traffic-free path past East Craigs Nursery School.Craigs Road is used by a lot of traffic to avoid queues at the Maybury junction, particularly in the morning peak, which is also the time children are heading to Craigmount High School. We would like traffic reduction measures in Craigs Road, by closing it to motor traffic (or making it one-way westwards) at the Maybury Road end, with an exemption for cycles and buses. Other suburban streets on the Link route should also have measures put in to discourage their use by through motor traffic.
At the eastern end of South Gyle Crescent the Link route is shown heading north to the South Gyle Access roundabout and then south again. We would like to see it going through the Clocktower Business Park, cutting that corner.
Good signage is essential as it will be easy for someone not familiar with the area to find themselves lost, particularly in the suburban areas without segregated cycle routes.
Consultation survey
consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/wel-concept.Posted 5 years ago # -
That seems like a pretty comprehensive reply, coving all the main points.
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So the Gyle have resubmitted their plans for a cinema complex at the front of their centre...
Disappointingly they have done nothing to improve the connectivity for cycling across their car park, despite this be a clear piece of feedback from their previous application.
The A8 underpass is destined to be a route to the edge of their car park :-(
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Anyone else get the outcome from the initial consultation emailed to them...
I did but don't know how to make it visible to the all-powerful shadowy cycling lobby (any offers to host it...)
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Send it over...
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I got a copy, I've put it up here: /files/2019/WestEdinburghLink_Consultation_report_v2.0.pdf
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When asked how people would like to travel assuming they had the opportunity to do so, the analysis shows that
Out of the 133 who travel by car to work,100 would change the way they do, with 24 responses for walking, 48 responses for cycling and 36 for public transport.
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Even allowing for an unrepresentative sample and an element of ‘telling surveyors what they want to hear’ this is a significant sign of latent demand/complete failure of public policies/action.
Demonstrates the complete inadequacy of latest SG report.
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Someone I know said drivers in his gyle office were unhappy with the plans to remove parking on South gyle crescent (probably the 21 strong opposers in table 3.)
I counted the parked cars on Google maps in all the full spaces on the southside of the South Gyle Crescent at 69 ignoring the 2 illegally parked cars
Using the average occupancy for cars in Edinburgh (1.25- which is overly generous for commuters), if it induced at least 86 new cyclists it'd be a net benefit. That's a crazy low bar. I was expecting a figure more like 300. Jesus on-road parking is inefficient
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@toomanybikes. How many people work within walking distance of those parking spaces. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than 10,000 meaning the 69 spaces even with 86 occupants can't even get 1% of the staff into the area.
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From my experience of working there a long time ago, the road is used as overspill parking and for those that want to "get away quickly" without queuing to get out of their company carpark at 17 hundred hours precisely.
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Some more drop-ins focusing on the public realm in each area:
Bughtlin Market Shops: outside the shops Thursday 5 Sept 2pm – 7pm
Gogarloch Park: Greenspace beside Gogarloch Syke Monday 9 Sept 4pm – 8pm
Wester Hailes Road at Sighthill Road Wednesday 11 Sept 11am – 2pm
Murrayburn Road at Canal Wednesday 11 Sept 3pm – 7pm
Clovenstone Community Centre Thursday 12 Sept 2pm – 7pmPosted 5 years ago #
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