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@Morningsider Ah, but there was consultation for this scheme so I'm sure they'll be entirely content...
As you say, always a good idea to remind Cllrs it's a good idea (especially with elections coming!)
I didn't notice initially that this is only the first stage, so only comments and no official objections yet. Good time to look it over in case there's something obvious wrong/missing.
That looks pretty good.
A pity they didn't connect Bristo Sq to the Meadows though.
Does anyone know what the dark blue dashed lines signify? A cycle lane maybe, but segregated, wand protected, or advisory?
@neddie I'm pretty sure they're temporary SfP style segregation until Hanover St is re-done as part of the George St project.
Bristo Sq is definitely a shame, although I suppose it will be easier with the two-way traffic there.
website still says 2022 construction, the tram website is the only one I've ever seen get updated to reflect reality after it first gets posted.
A milestone for Edinburgh’s City Centre Transformation has been reached as final designs for the Meadows to George Street scheme are published.The final designs for George Street are due later this year.
The Meadows to George Street (MGS) project will overhaul conditions for walking, wheeling and cycling on some of Edinburgh’s busiest and most iconic streets, as well as enhancing public spaces. Changes made along the route via Teviot Place, Forrest Road, George IV Bridge, the Mound and Hanover Street will be made in a way which respects and enriches the World Heritage Site.
Plans include segregated cycleways, wider pavements and pedestrian priority areas and have drawn on feedback received through various stages of public and stakeholder engagement since 2018. We’re aiming to begin construction in early 2024 and once complete, MGS will integrate with the forthcoming George Street and First New Town (GNT) scheme at Hanover Street, which is scheduled for a construction start later in 2024.
Following the last public consultation carried out in 2019, some amendments have been made to designs. Amongst these, the two-way cycle track at Hanover Street is changing to one-way cycle lanes on either side of the road to better tie in with the proposed George Street junction under GNT. A bus gate is also being introduced on Market Street to reduce through-traffic in the area, while footways along the route have been widened further and a new safe cycle crossing over Princes Street tram tracks has been added.
SAVE THE DATE!
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We’re aiming to begin construction in early 2024
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Is this actually ACTUALLY true? -
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final designs for the Meadows to George Street scheme are published.
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No tweaks or extra consultations??
Implication from the now updated website is that it's all finalised, and details look fantastic to be honest. Extremely pleased they've kept the bus gate at the top of The Mound.
https://meadowstogeorgestreet.info/project-details/
Bus gate on East Market Street is a great addition.
Publishing TRO in May I think. Obviously in Edinburgh, it's only finished when construction has started (and even then see Leith Walk)
So cycling southbound from Hanover St to the Mound seems to require...quite a lot of trust in the bus drivers behind you?
“Obviously in Edinburgh, it's only finished when construction has started (and even then see Leith Walk)”
Yes
(You know you mean finished…)
“details look fantastic“
Big question (for me) is
‘Will the design details and implementation mesh (literally) with the Roseburn to East End route’?
@Frenchy the plans indicate there'll be a fully separate phase of the lights for cycle traffic. You'd *hope* they can be trusted to at least not run a red :P
I share what seems to be the common sentiment - looks great, let's see how it gets built in practice. Pray jeebus they've learned their lesson and contractually obligate the builders to work to very specific plans this time to avoid another Leith Walk/Elm Row cackshow.
Nice pic of Leith Walk here!
https://twitter.com/MichaelMochrie/status/1512020322358374401
Update
I mean ‘nice’…
the plans indicate there'll be a fully separate phase of the lights for cycle traffic. You'd *hope* they can be trusted to at least not run a red :P
Could still be very not fun if you get there just as the lights change.
Starting work in 2024 means there will be at least a three year gap between the removal of the Spaces for People cycle lanes and the opening of the permanent design. That's three years when families and less confident cyclists will choose not to cycle into town. Three years of lost modal shift and emissions reduction.
I wonder, could the Scottish Government not issue guidance (as it did with COVID-19) allowing local authorities to use TTROs to introduce temporary facilities, on the basis they reduce the danger posed by climate change and local air pollution (and accident reduction for pedestrians and cyclists). After all, the Council and Scottish Government have declared a climate emergency. They have legally binding emissions reductions targets to meet. Doesn't seem outlandish to me.
That would allow temporary versions of these schemes to be created using planters, wands etc, within days. The full TRO could be obtained while the temporary scheme was in place. They wouldn't be perfect and might look a little scrappy, but they would certainly be a step in the right direction.
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The plans include some of Edinburgh’s busiest and most iconic streets. Construction is due to start in 2024 and the route – taking in Teviot Place, Forrest Road, George IV Bridge, the Mound and Hanover Street – will integrate with the George Street and First New Town scheme, which is scheduled for a construction start later the same year.
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It’ll happen, it’s much needed as the route is awful right now. Long overdue!
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1623706941791907843
The horrible, inconvenient-for-pedestrians, temporary lights have been removed from Chambers St and the zebra reinstated
Hooray!
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#GeorgeIVBridge
Under Council #MeadowsToGeorgeStreey plans this stays a bus route, but will be closed to most other motor traffic at #BankStreet #BusGate
Construction start now 'early 2025'
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https://meadowstogeorgestreet.info/project-details/
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https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1676656072705056771
I'm thinking of entering this in the 2024 Fringe programme:
"The Meadows to... An evolving performance art project about the nature of time, space and the futility of attempts to master the great God car - expressed through a series of immersive, yet imaginary cycle projects centred on Edinburgh's iconic Meadows park."
That timeline is hard to defend. It's still before North Bridge due to be finished right?
Mostly rehashed old news, but looks like they have published the TROs:
Sadly, the article has conflated the Meadows - George St segregated cyclelanes with the other proposed bus-gates and "car bans". This only serves to create culture wars, pitting cars against bikes, "It's the 'cYcLisTS' getting everything they want, they want to bAn cARs". Really unhelpful.
I wonder if it was the EEN or Scott Arthur that framed it that way?
Redetermination Order (RSO):
Traffic regulation Order (TRO):
Positive and constructive comments sent to TRO.Consultations@edinburgh.gov.uk would be helpful
@neddie if I recall correctly,The Mound busgate has always been a part of these cycle lane plans to compensate for loss of bus lanes on George IV Bridge.
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Meadows to George Street - Detailed Plans Published
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https://buttondown.email/edi.bike/archive/edibike-issue-37-22nd-apr-24/
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Can anyone explain why the full width of pavement on the mound is being converted to cycletrack on the corner?
Are there any plans of what the finished scheme will actually look like? RSO plans are very confusing.
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This is apparently the detailed version.
(Don’t understand the positioning of the bike boxes on the road.)
"(Don’t understand the positioning of the bike boxes on the road.)"
Is it because the bit between the bus gates is only wide enough for a bus in one direction so it will be traffic light controlled?
PDFs 07 to 12 seem to be available at the same location.
“so it will be traffic light controlled?“
Ok, so perhaps lights should be shown??
Doesn’t look like a great layout.
2nd of May there are public drop-in events - but there's also a separate event for organisational stakeholders in the morning that I'm going along to with the opportunity to ask questions and make comments on the designs.
Does anyone have any issues to raise there or questions to be asked? From my initial read of the plans, my main concern is keeping St Giles St open with a vehicle access straight into a downhill cycle lane, unless it was controlled with removable or retractable bollards. Just saying a street is closed doesn't stop motor vehicles, as we know.
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