@frenchy, ratchet straps on the helter skelter?
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George St closure
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Posted 5 years ago #
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I've been in touch already with Essential Edinburgh about the narrowness and sticking out feet in the westbound contraflow at the west end of George st.
Happy to take forward additional comments.
Spokes were consulted and believe that the arrangements have been improving year on year. I didn't get to see the final signage spec though but they have incorporated a number of improvements that we raised.
The "anti-terrorist" straps are not part of the scheme as far as I know and are not currently evident.
The crash-barriers with sticking out feet are only temporary during construction.
The westbound closure at Hanover Street jn was for part of the Leith Street closure and was included in the statement on what was to be removed in time for the Festival (Abbey Hill gyratory not till afterwards.)
Pushing for a more solid barrier and 500mm separation through the contraflow but hasn't been agreed for this year - will take up with Road Safety team.
Essential Edinburgh are keen to make this work since Lesley Hinds "had words" with them!
Any further suggestions/queries?
Note that Spokes has also had an informal meeting with the GNT (George Street and First New Town) designers. These are the same people as doing Melville Crescent and seem very open.
CheersPosted 5 years ago # -
“Essential Edinburgh are keen to make this work since Lesley Hinds "had words" with them!”
Easy to forget how strong LH became on AT/cycling after a lukewarm start as Transport Convenor.
Still not clear how much the new Lesley ‘understands’.
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"Any further suggestions/queries?"
Some "No parking" signs or similar at the exits to the bike lane would go a long way I think. I can sort of understand contractors blocking the exits when there's construction work going on, but last year there were always private vehicles, delivery drivers and taxis blocking the entrance and exit.Also a general "thanks for at least bothering to have the cycle lane in the first place"!
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tried to have a reasoned discussion with a chap who'd totally blocked the west bound exit this morning - it didn't stay reasoned very long. He really couldn't see what he was doing wrong as he'd only be "15 mins or so".
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What 'rules' are under operation during festival time? If someone does park in the bike lane (say) will the police treat it as an obstruction? (You know, if they cared about obstructions.) Or is it in the grey area between council and police, unenforced by anyone?
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My guess (and it's just a guess) is that unless the cycle lane is "official", with paperwork and road orders, etc, neither the police nor the council will do anything about obstructions.
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I'd be genuinely shocked if there aren't road orders in place.
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"tried to have a reasoned discussion with a chap who'd totally blocked the west bound exit this morning - it didn't stay reasoned very long. He really couldn't see what he was doing wrong as he'd only be "15 mins or so"."
here's a question: say i'm cycling along and have to go into the regular lane because this blanker has blocked the cycle lane. say a driver hits me.
any chance the police or insurance companies would come after the illegal parker for contributing to the collision?
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@the canuck - no.
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Wait. I thought the mere "presence" of a motor vehicle was enough to trigger "involvement"?
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i just wondered--years ago a friend's house burned down, and the insurance company went pretty hard after a business that made the product the insurers believed had caused the fire--anything to shift the financing on to someone else.
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@the canuck - i think the difference here is that you didn't have to go into the regular lane, it was your choice. The fact the cycle lane was blocked i think wouldn't matter too much.
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Does the concept of (contributory) negligence include the actions of people who have parked illegally and contributed to causing an accident?
Kind of academic in the real world since such an offence would barely move the scales. The punishment for running over and killing a cyclist seems to be a couple of years without driving, so merely contributing to the situation would probably just get a sentence of 30 days without television.
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I think it might happen in civil cases, but agree it's unlikely to lead to criminal prosecutions, let alone sentences.
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I'm sure there was a case where someone was delivering something to a house on a corner on a NSL road and someone else drove into the back of the parked van and it was the driver of the van who was prosecuted for their parking.
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