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MORE motorists face having to pay to park outside their own homes as the city council searches for ways to balance the books.
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“MORE motorists face having to pay to park outside their own homes”
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Posted 6 years ago #
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Cllr Cook is tweeting about it
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Chiming in in today's @edinburghpaper . @Edinburgh_CC must stop treating motorists as it's annual budget cash cow.""Hi Nick, genuine Q - How do we make sure that the true cost of cars (air pollution, congestion, injuries, ill health) are accounted for?"
"Road tax, fuel duty, green levies, accountable and proportionate permit , parking prices etc"
Posted 6 years ago # -
I presume by "proportionate permit" he means allowing the market to set the permit rate.
I mean a free-market-, capitalist-thinking Tory would never want to see anything subsidised by the state, would they?
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Posted 6 years ago #
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So, out of the £21m in cuts, the Chipwrapper reports that the extension of controlled parking would bring in an estimated £119k - 0.57% of the required total. Odd that Nick chooses to go with the "war on the motorist" angle, rather than the proposed £3m cut to health and social care services - or would he prefer it was £3.119m instead?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Of course people should pay.
If you buy a house with a driveway, you'll pay more than if it didn't have a driveway.
If you treat the street as your driveway, why shouldn't you pay the council?
Having said that, to quote Homer Simpson, "Flanders, I am a patient, reasonable, handsome man."
So, if charging is unacceptable, I'm willing to support a scheme whereby the council reduces free on street parking spaces by 30% ... but lets drivers continue to use the other 70% for free.
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Houses with a driveway are still claiming part of the street as their driveway. The council have to subsidies the entrance to driveway it uses up a parking space. Also unlike a permit space, it’s like having a reserved space that no one else can use, so possibly should be a more expensive permit based on length of reserved space. Unless people paid for a special permit then the council could use the space. Their could be different permits giving difference access times, so could just get an evening and council could use the space in the day etc or a 24hr permit. Another vote winner I am sure -).
Posted 6 years ago # -
The council have to subsidies the entrance to driveway it uses up a parking space.
That's only true if you assume the default state of the roadside to be parking
Would personally rather see it impossible to register a vehicle in the city unless you can document private land or parking to keep it on.
Posted 6 years ago # -
That's only true if you assume the default state of the roadside to be parking”
Not entirely, people being subsidised by being given the strip of land would also prevent the council using it as a bus stop, a separate walled of bike lane, a garden or canal, many other potential uses. It denies the council the use of the land for many purposes be it social or economic. The uncharged opportunity cost a subsidy.
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"Not entirely, people being subsidised by being given the strip of land would also prevent the council using it as a bus stop, a separate walled of bike lane, a garden or canal, many other potential uses"
Isn't that true if any piece of land is designated as any 'thing'? ie it then can't be used for other 'things', take the canal example, that can't become a bike lane or a bus stop either.
Aren't all users of (Council) land subsidised, and isn't that right? We don't and shouldn't expect to have to pay a toll to use the NEPN.
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Aren't all users of (Council) land subsidised, and isn't that right? We don't and shouldn't expect to have to pay a toll to use the NEPN.
Presumably, most of the time you're on NEPN, you're moving. So any space you're occupying can be, a split-second later, used by someone else.
Parking on the road takes away that space from other users for long periods. And, if you park in that place 12+ hours a day, it means you're using it more often than everyone else put together.
So, for that reason, I see parking as fundamentally different to walking along a pavement, or driving/cyling along a road.
Posted 6 years ago # -
From Stickmans's article:
People who worry about harms to the poor when roads are priced, and not when roads are free, may be worried more about the prices than the poor.
Posted 6 years ago # -
From the same article:
"Free roads function like a matching grant for drivers: the more money people can invest in driving, the more benefit they get from unpriced streets. If, conversely, you can’t afford to drive at all, free roads don’t help you."
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"Free roads function like a matching grant for drivers: the more money people can invest in driving, the more benefit they get from unpriced streets. If, conversely, you can’t afford to drive at all, free roads don’t help you."
Presumably if you can't drive you do also benefit from free roads; because they will also be there for you to use on your bicycle, or the bus.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Not to mention any service you do use which relies on the heavily subsidised roads, supermarkets, plumbers, bicycle repair shops.
Posted 6 years ago # -
From the same article:
"Fortunately, tolls also come with a built-in solution to this problem: revenue. Toll revenue can offset costs for low-income drivers. This is how we help low-income people afford other forms of priced public infrastructure, like heating, gas, electricity, and public transit. We identify people who can’t afford the service and dedicate a portion of our own payments to help them."
Presumably bicycles would not be charged, as they don't cause congestion. Similarly buses might not be charged or at least charged a reduced rate as they help to alleviate congestion.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Here's an example of how road pricing works for different classes of vehicle. We used to have such systems on a number of Scottish bridges prior to 2007.
https://www.severnbridge.co.uk/Home.aspx?.Parent=using-the-tolls2&FileName=using-the-tolls2
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