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rest up or press on

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  1. steveo
    Member

    Right endurance/adventurous types, continuing a pub conversation to the crowd.

    You have a distance to cover, doesn’t matter how far but its at the edge of your personal range, half way is a bothy/campsite/bunk house. Time is an illusion not a factor in this scenario.

    The debate went along the lines is it better to press on even if the last few km/miles/hours are a total slog but at the end you have a shower and comfortable bed or rest up for the night and press on with the mental issue of having to drag yourself back out to do it all again, DOMS etc.

    I’m of the view that a long run/ultra/audax is just a run/bike ride (hard as it may be) add an overnight stop and its an adventure.

    Thoughts?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  2. rider73
    Member

    do you have hot coffee available at the bothy / on your person?
    if not EOD, push on, if so, EOD stop and enjoy.
    :)

    Posted 7 years ago #

  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I am possibly an endurance/adventurous type for some classes of adventure. I always try to make sure that I'm kitted up in such a way that bedding down isn't an ordeal. No Bus Shelter Bubblewrap Nights for me if it can be avoided.

    If cycling becomes unpleasant and I don't have a rendezvous with anybody then I stop. Sleep is a miraculous commodity and what looks overwhelming in the evening can be a mere bagatelle in the morning. Laying your head on a landscape is the only true way to know it.

    As you say, it's the overnight aspect that turns a ride into an adventure. When I am appointed Governor Benevolent of all Caledonia I shall exhort, equip and oblige all of my people to spend at least one night outdoors every year.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  4. steveo
    Member

    I, for one welcome our Governor Benevolent!

    Posted 7 years ago #

  5. dessert rat
    Member

    unless it was a planned overnight stop and I was atleast marginally prepared for it, I'd def push on.

    If its on the edge of your range, then really no issue as you know you can do it - its when it is (or seems) beyond your capabilities it becomes worth considering a recovery sleep.

    take me to your/our leader.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  6. unhurt
    Member

    If time is no issue: adventure please.

    Though to be honest I'd probably have planned to stop at the halfway point bothy / whatever in the first place. unhurt's first rule of travel: you will stop more often and take far longer than you think. (rule 2 might be "you will always wish there were more chocolate raisins" or "you will add or remove layers every 25 minutes").

    Benevolent

    That's how the regime begins, certainly...

    Posted 7 years ago #

  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    That's how the regime begins, certainly...

    Oh don't worry, there will be a Solemn League and Covenant to set out the ground rules.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  8. steveo
    Member

    I think we need one of the more competitive/sporty individuals of the forum to chip in, we all like camping too much. Min, Fimm, amir, cyclingmollie?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @steveo

    For what it's worth I engage(d) in endurance running. I'd no more have a kip en route than I'd take a taxi. Different deal.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  10. fimm
    Member

    I'm not sure I totally understand the question...
    Is this a race? Or an Audax? Both have time cut offs.
    Or a journey that one is taking for the pleasure of the journey?
    Is the question "Would you plan to stop half way?" or "If the wheels were coming off (already at half way) would you stop without having planned to do so?"

    Posted 7 years ago #

  11. steveo
    Member

    For what it's worth I engage(d) in endurance running. I'd no more have a kip en route than I'd take a taxi. Different deal.

    While competing, I’d agree. Though this rapidly falls apart for running unless its a ultra-distance, 24-48 hr cycles aren’t that unusual. (not that two days in the saddle isn’t but I don’t think it’s as hard as say 12 hours on foot).

    For hiking it probably still stands so mabye thats the comparison, long distance cycling or hiking.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  12. steveo
    Member

    I'm not sure I totally understand the question...

    Nor do I. :D

    Its definately not a race but a personal challenge.

    Is the question "Would you plan to stop half way?"

    I think thats the nub, were you planning this challenge would you plan the overnight stop or press on.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  13. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    @steveo I would push on. From reading IWRATS and others' experiences I think personally that getting a good night's sleep during a ride is a practiced art. Better to keep moving than spend hours awake and shivering.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  14. steveo
    Member

    I'd like to add this was a pub debate so the goal posts moved continually whilst we tried to refine our thoughts got drunk.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Its definately not a race but a personal challenge.

    I'd say there's racing, pilgrimage and being a flâneur. In a race you bash on or withdraw, on a pilgrimage you seek shelter when you must whereas a flâneur prioritises comfort and conviviality over the journey.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  16. dessert rat
    Member

    is it raining ?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I think personally that getting a good night's sleep during a ride is a practiced art.

    Absolutely. It's a thing you have to learn to do.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  18. steveo
    Member

    is it raining ?

    Probably...

    Posted 7 years ago #

  19. fimm
    Member

    OK, so the scenario is something like "You are planning a cycle ride between two points that are 250km apart (I've done one 300km Audax, though I couldn't do it again tomorrow). At 125km there is a place where you can get a comfortable but basic night's sleep. Do you plan a one day or a two day trip?"

    I think that right now with my current fitness/endurance levels, I'd go for the two-day. But if I were in 300km Audax shape I might prefer the one day; but I might not. I might choose to have two "easy" days cycling for the pleasure of two days cycling.

    I don't think I've really understood the question yet....

    Posted 7 years ago #

  20. wingpig
    Member

    Is the bothy occupied and would you have to speak to anyone?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Is the bothy occupied and would you have to speak to anyone?

    Set your mind at ease. You are equipped.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  22. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    IIRC gembo laid on a pop-up cafe for people doing the ride to the sun. I expect that was a great incentive. So there's that to consider as well. And even a short break can be a boost. So now I'm confused.

    @IWRATS I scoff at drivers taking their front rooms with them on holiday so I'm going to have to say no to the bicycle caravan. Sorry.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  23. steveo
    Member

    I don't think I've really understood the question yet....
    . No I think you've got it. Generally if you were able, would you prefer to knock it out in oner?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  24. steveo
    Member

    And even a short break can be a boost

    That's very true, just don't hang around long enough to stiffen up.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Generally if you were able, would you prefer to knock it out in a oner?

    I was trying to figure out if this is doable in a one day for a fit young thing yesterday and then I stopped because the prospect seemed so utterly unappealing.

    I think the answer is yes, but why would you?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  26. fimm
    Member

    OK. I think the answer is still "It depends", but a more formal thought out explanation of what it depends on will have to wait until tomorrow!

    Posted 7 years ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    "you will add or remove layers every 25 minutes"

    Really??

    How many layers do you start out with?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  28. dessert rat
    Member

    i think the pressing consideration for me would be "how much mobile battery do I have left and did i bring the back-up battery".

    See thread about dream anxiety 2 weeks ago. shudder

    Posted 7 years ago #

  29. steveo
    Member

    I'd say there's racing, pilgrimage and being a flâneur.

    I think I'd probably fit in to the pilgrim, when I plan a trip I generally make them maybe a little too difficult for a single day but have an overnight baked in though I have once or twice not bothered stopping.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  30. HankChief
    Member

    No debate for me. Push on. Get it done.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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