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  1. chdot
    Admin

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    “If you can prove your car is damaged the council will pay for that rather than pay for repairs to the roads because it works out cheaper."

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    But Ruth McKay, chairwoman of the Edinburgh branch of the Federation of Small Business, called on transport bosses to refocus investment from cycle lanes and public transport towards neglected roads in outlying parts of the city, claiming that they don’t receive the same attention as city centre areas popular with tourists

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-potholes-are-worst-ever-1-3654765

    Posted 9 years ago #

  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    claiming that they don’t receive the same attention as city centre areas popular with tourists

    This must be some new definition of 'receiving attention' of which I wasn't previously aware.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  3. stredin
    Member

    Thanks Bikeability, I'll bear that in mind, though reading further back up this thread, it seems that people have been told in the past that they only accept liability if they're NOT aware of the pothole! Seems bizarre if true - surely should be worse if they know but do nothing.

    Anyway have posted a report and asked them to tell me how to direct a claim. Will see what happens.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/workman-s-glove-embedded-in-road-in-new-pothole-misery-1-3848692

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    It is just an indication as to the usual shoddy workmanship these days that we have to put up with in Edinburgh.

    The new cycle 'improvements?' at Davidsons Mains are another example. Weeks to implement minimal improvement for cyclists at a cost of approx £70K (according to a local there) and they are having to fix part of it as it's not right.

    Surely it would be better to do things properly and avoid extra costs and inconvenience to everyone.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. gibbo
    Member

    @wishicouldgofaster

    "The new cycle 'improvements?' at Davidsons Mains are another example."

    I live in DM and had no idea "improvements" had been made.

    The only thing I can think of is those bollards on the bridge at the east end of Corbiehill Ave.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. le_soigneur
    Member

    The D Mains improvement is the cycle crossing of Cramond Road S & Barnton Ave onto the NEPN Blackhall Path - more of a jug handle now.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/47962/item_717_-_road_asset_management_-_spray_injection_patching_-_final

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    I wonder how much attention was heeded to this

    'Its main disadvantages are that it is not suitable for all road defects (particularly structural failures) and road types. There are also potential safety issues where the system is used in urban areas (related to wind borne emulsion and propelled chippings).[i]'

    Posted 8 years ago #

  10. Edinburgh Cycle Training
    Member

    Had forgotten my contribution to this thread.

    A few weeks before my holidays I clattered one of the big potholes between Waterloo Place and the Balmoral. Big dent in my rim the LBS said wasn't cost effective to repair (staff time cost I assume)

    I put a claim in to the council for the cost of a repair or replacement set (I wasn't both wheels to look the same!

    The claim is now with an external insurer (down south) after being passed from the legal team to the roads department to the local office (whom I'd contacted several times over many months about the state of that section of Princes Street)

    Although no positive response yet, I have not received any negative response either. The case has always been forwarded/escalated by CEC, not on my insistence having been rejected.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

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    @MatthewWasley: @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin Kirkgate in Currie is a nightmare downhill since they patched the road instead of resurfacing. [1/2]

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    Posted 8 years ago #

  12. Colonies_Chris
    Member

    Ive reported the dips at the Waterloo Place junction several times (and they've been patched several times). Ten days ago I received this:

    Thank you for contacting the City of Edinburgh Council regarding the above on the 8 August. Our Roads team is aware of the potholes at this junction and has organised temporary repairs to the area. They are currently working on plans to carry out permanent repairs to the area, however given its busy nature they need to consider traffic management for this work carefully.

    In the meantime please rest assured that this area will monitored closely and any temporary repairs needed will be carried out.

    If you would like any more information please contact on the details below.

    Kind Regards
    Emma

    Posted 8 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

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    CITY leaders insisted investment was at record high levels”. How often have we heard and read that statement when it comes to dealing with Edinburgh’s true disgrace – potholes?

    It was certainly trotted out four years ago when the state of the city’s road surfaces was so bad that even tourists were noticing when their open-topped buses ducked and dived from one crater to the next.

    It was said in response to tourist guides who declared the roads were “Third World” or “18th century” to match the architecture. And it was repeated in response to concerns of business leaders, cycling organisations and even despite the figures which showed that in 2011 the council had 379 claims for compensation against it because of pothole damage – up a whopping 71 per cent from the previous year.

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    http://www.scotsman.com/news/gina-davidson-no-u-turns-on-the-road-to-ruin-1-4058162

    Posted 8 years ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19454158.scotlands-pothole-plague-spreads-fivefold-snp-tories-demand-200m-repairs

    Posted 2 years ago #

  15. neddie
    Member

    £200 million! Is there no end to the expenditure on motors? Motors that are getting ever larger, heavier and more road-trashier.

    That amount of money would active-travel-ify several cities.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  16. acsimpson
    Member

    If they stopped building new roads they could fund £200m and all the active travel schemes that could be dreamt of.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  17. Stickman
    Member

    It’s such an easy game for opposition parties to play - pick a number, double it and then say it’s still not enough and Something Must Be Done.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

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    Efforts to recruit a business manager for councillors were put on hold after it was claimed the salary could be used to fill “1,000 potholes”.

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    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/unfortunate-error-claim-over-controversial-ps40k-a-year-midlothian-council-post-advert-3362238

    (Perhaps this thread should be renamed ‘warning politics’.)

    Posted 2 years ago #

  19. Morningsider
    Member

    Except staff costs are usually part of the revenue budget and pothole repairs part of the capital budget. No easy job to move funds between the two. Still, Midlothian Councillors are only responsible for an annual budget not far off quarter of a billion pounds. Can't expect them to know this detailed stuff.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  20. gembo
    Member

    @morningsider, precisely.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  21. crowriver
    Member

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    Councillor Cassidy (SNP) said the salary was more akin to a big private company than the council. “We are a small council and have to remember that. pot holes cost £40 to fix and that is 1,000 pot holes we could be repairing across Midlothian for that salary.”

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    Posted 2 years ago #

  22. gembo
    Member

    Where is maigrets’ moustaches?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  23. jss
    Member

    £40 a hole?.and they are crap, A shovel full of tarmac and tar thrown inaccurately at random in the vague direction of an occasional hole
    Do they have long meetings discussing which one to fill and which to leave
    The small so called Povert road next to me down by the gore glen to Carrington usually has more craters than the moon.Eventually they get around to filling some but then leave adjacent holes unfilled.
    Perhaps they were having another cup of tea while discussing ,this hole or that one?
    Do they vote on the selection.Is it based on aesthetic grounds? Is it part of a radical traffic calming ideology?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

    “pothole repairs part of the capital budget”

    Really?

    Not my understanding/assumption.

    Thought the idea was that proper repairs/resurfacing was capital.

    Filling in holes with a bucket of (maybe) warm tarmac was ‘cheaper’ and revenue??

    Not clear why there is a political obsession with filling potholes.

    (OK, it’s because Cllrs get lotsa complaints.)

    MUCH better if prevention was in the mindset.

    Like - better built roads, PROPER enforcement of utility ‘reinstatements’, less traffic, slower speeds, lighter vehicles, etc etc.

    Not such good headlines…

    Posted 2 years ago #

  25. Tulyar
    Member

    If only the Duty of Care test (to prevent harm) was more closely linked to the controlling entity for the premises, when the premises are the public highway?

    If this was a factory, railway station or shop, and a non employee was harmed by a hole in the floor, there could be a prosecution for a crimnal offence (per HSAWA 1974) as well as the civil claim

    Prosecutions for road crashes are rare, although Stagecoach were fined (£2.3m) after the Coventry bus crash, for knowingly letting a 77 year old driver who was dangerously unfit to drive, work all the overtime available when they were short of bus drivers

    Posted 2 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

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    The cost of fixing potholes on Scotland’s roads is almost £1.7 billion, according to new data, with the City of Edinburgh Council facing a repair backlog worth just over £77 million.

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    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/ps77m-of-taxpayers-money-needed-to-fix-citys-potholes-3609206

    Posted 2 years ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    Just a reminder from upthread -

    “Is there no end to the expenditure on motors? Motors that are getting ever larger, heavier and more road-trashier”

    Posted 2 years ago #

  28. Morningsider
    Member

    So the cost of fixing the road maintenance backlog could be paid for by cancelling the remainder of the A9 dualling project. Road maintenance is usually delivered by small engineering firms, rather than the huge international companies that build new trunk roads, which would help boost the Scottish economy.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  29. chdot
    Admin

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    Rod Stewart: Video prompts pothole DIY repair warning

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-60727187

    Posted 2 years ago #

  30. steveo
    Member

    That road does look bad.

    Ferrari can't go through here at all,"

    What a shame...

    Posted 2 years ago #

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