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  1. wee folding bike
    Member

    Glasgow council came out with this yesterday:

    "All Glasgow City Council schools and nurseries will be closed to pupils tomorrow, Wednesday 8 December.

    Staff should report to their school or their nearest GCC school without risking their safety."

    I was on a course which was cancelled so I dropped into the school on the way home. I'm not sure what was the point of getting staff to report to empty schools but I did it anyway. I might have to do it again tomorrow.

    Still no spiked tyres in the CTC shop.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. wee folding bike
    Member

    chdot,

    Teaching staff too. Friends in the west end went to the nearest school and then went home. I reported to my real school. There were a hand full of other staff there and a number of expensive cars sitting in the yard from Monday.

    Number one son's girl friend's mum reported to my school too but she had gone by the time I got there. This is a shame. I've never met her but me turning up on a trike and bin man jacket to water my peanuts would be just the impression I wanted to make.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. cb
    Member

    Just to add to Kaputnik's list of reasons why a train might not work in this weather, I heard a Scotrail chap on the radio the other day say that one of the reasons is that doing safety checks on the trains was not easy/possible.
    Don't know about the legality of having to do the checks...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. wee folding bike
    Member

    The people who were supposed to be presenting the course I was on were coming from Edinburgh to Queen St and said the doors on their train were frozen.

    I do know a way to defrost such things...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. ruggtomcat
    Member

    I wonder if the trains in snowy Austria are running?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. Stepdoh
    Member

    I know when I was in Stockholm last year even funny old little lidingöbanan was running fine and it was hammering it down with snow.

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    The lidingöbanan is a world of awesome though. Maybe we need some sort of railed transport option in Embra?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. spitfire
    Member

    Problem with working form home when remoting into virtual PCs is that most people do still work in an office and it's only the travelling sales people that get to do this on a regular basis, most managers want to keep their employees where they can see (and hear) them, have team huddles and motivational posters up around the place.
    So when more people remote in than usual it slows the service down and the critical users get trouble.
    If only they had a motivational poster in their home beside the router they have to reboot repeatedly...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I did a spot of lunchtime googling. Current thinking is that the blame lies in the pneumatic system which in a train controls the braking and suspension (and the doors). Some units use pneumatic throttles and gearboxes too.

    The air in the system will be at atmoshperic humidity. If it then freezes, ice will form in the air lines and the various check valves in the system, which effectively siezes it up and all control of the unit is lost. Once a train is up and running, it will generally keep running, it's starting them up from cold seems to be the tricky bit. Of course, they are also diesel engined and it's nearly been cold enough to freeze diesel. Big diesels apparently not the most co-operative at starting in extreme cold. A bus operator in the Borders has cancelled all services because the diesel froze overnight

    So perhaps it's Scotrail's fault for not leaving all their trains idling overnight!

    Subsequent inability to co-ordinate an emergency timetable service and provide passengers with reasonable information can likely be blamed on administrative failure. Or maybe the management couldn't drive in to work?

    Austrian railways largely electrocuted I think (along with the lindingobanana)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. Stepdoh
    Member

    ahh, west coaster here, used to the SPT network and forgot that not all the country is run on the magik electrick stuff.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The North Berwick service is Electric, but the units are stabled over in the west as there's no facilities for them in the east. So probably couldn't make it over here to ply their trade as there were iced-up diesels blocking them in. A bit like the gritters and ploughs not being able to go down roads littered with abandoned cars.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. wee folding bike
    Member

    I remember the diesels in Ayr running all the time, even at night. The line to Ayr has been electric since 1986.

    Don't trains have a hair drier and some WD-40?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    remember the diesels in Ayr running all the time

    Class 126. No air suspension. Manual slam-doors. Mechanical transmission. Each car produced it's own air supply so less likely for supply lines to freeze up. All-in-all hardier than the modern softie units.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. wee folding bike
    Member

    Wiki says the last 126 ran there in '83 but I remember being on a train you could see out the front of in the summer of '84 when I was working in Glasgow.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Either way, in them days spades were spades and trains were trains.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. Stepdoh
    Member

    well, the lidingo-a-go-go was running on repurposed 1940's-50's tram units, so there may be something in the new softie bit :)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Not to mention trams being trams. I'm sure our shiny new trams will be frozen solid come their first winter.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    It's only 4.20 are there is already gridlock in Morningside/Comiston Roads!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    M8 Update J1 to J5

    packed snow "like driving on cobbles"

    txtr to Radio Scotland

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. wee folding bike
    Member

    Corrugated ice was the main limiting factor for me this morning. I actually started to get cold legs because I wasn't pedalling hard enough to generate heat. It was sometimes easier to drop the nearside and front wheel onto the soft snow.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Don't trains have a hair drier and some WD-40?

    Careful what you wish for folds, it might come true;

    Scotrail to use heated "skirts" to defrost trains

    Posted 13 years ago #
  21. Arellcat
    Moderator

    It's only 4.20 are there is already gridlock in Morningside/Comiston Roads! (Posted 5 days ago)

    It was the same this evening, too. Being on three wheels today rather than two left me few opportunities to filter because of the huge piles of snow at the side of the road, and my journey out along Comiston Road took ages. Bus passengers wouldn't have been on time, either.

    The roads around the Merchiston-Bruntsfield wedge are far less treated than you might expect, too. The clear tarmac is only one vehicle wide, which makes for slow going.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "
    It's only 4.20 are there is already gridlock in Morningside/Comiston Roads! (Posted 5 days ago)

    "

    Pretty solid from Holy Corner by 15.45 today!

    Two wheels best...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  23. LaidBack
    Member

    Been out to Bike Chain from 'my' shop and back and traffic was fairly static. Leith Street was pretty backed up.

    Back on my usual LB bike with Kojaks - zero tread = less resistance = stay away from edges!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  24. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Back on my usual LB bike

    Yes, I had to do a double take when I came out of TBW and so you locking up an upright bike! Kinda threw me.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "Scottish government outlines weather response changes"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11988076

    Posted 13 years ago #
  26. cb
    Member

    They should get a fairly thorough test of their new plan on Thursday then.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  27. wee folding bike
    Member

    There is something funny going on with the Met office over Thursday.

    I've been getting email warnings since Sunday.

    They have a "Be prepared" status for Thursday.

    The weather prediction says "Light snow shower".

    I'm not sure what the message is.

    I suspect I'll get the trike out again and slap some Green Oil on the chain.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm not sure what the message is."

    'expect 20cm' (west of S.)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Met Office warnings page for Lothian and Borders. Lots of variety of warnings out for Thursday. "Be prepared" is their status for L&B area.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 13 years ago #

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