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Leith Walk human-protected bike lane intervention
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Posted 6 years ago #
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@ HankC - yes yes, I was thinking more in relation to insurance claims etc...
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You should have been there for the exploding double yellow lines conversation...
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Notice that I Bike Dublin have held a "Cyclists Dismount" event recently. Might ask them how that went...
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IainMcR - you mean if a poor, hard-pressed, otherwise law-abiding motorist has their car scratched by a scofflaw cyclist? I doubt it somehow.
Posted 6 years ago # -
A blue badger holder may be allowed to park on double red lines to drop off or a taxi dropping someone off. The cycle lane has dashes, so may expect a parked car in the lane, so would tend to guess if crashed in to a car liability would be cyclists
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What if the car was in fact a skip - would you charge the skip with careless driving? What if the car was actually broken down? What if the lines had worn away under the car you hit?
We don't have to wonder, because it's your responsibility as a road user to avoid all collisions regardless of what the local parking regulations happen to be. If something suddenly moves in front of you, you have a pretty good defence as to why you couldn't avoid hitting it - if it's stationary in a street-lit area, the law doesn't look to kindly you if you hit it and mutters a comment about how you're lucky the car wasn't actually a group of schoolchildren dressed as ninjas.
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@Ed1 What do you think about this guy then?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Is Blue Badger a new underground energy drink?
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@weezee Usual advisory about reading the comments applies here.
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@dougal Yep, journal.ie has a regular posse who can be depended up on to roll out the usual tropes on a variety of subjects.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Dublin are installing wands on their lanes, possibly in response to I Bike Dublin's demos.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ibikedublin/status/943101542009360385
Posted 6 years ago # -
That looks like an excellent solution.
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The wands look nice when new and will fulfil their intended purpose when new...
But seriously, are they going to last 5 minutes before being driven over into oblivion?
Posted 6 years ago # -
are they going to last 5 minutes
Given that actual cast iron bollards get flattened in Edinburgh they won't last forever if they're rigid. If they're spring-loaded they might last a while, especially if they're tall and rough-textured so that they make a lot of noise on bodywork before they go underneath a vehicle.
Posted 6 years ago # -
This appeared in my Flickr feed this morning -
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/nachett/25069491258/
Everything ‘we’ are suspicious of -
Paint segregation, trams, motorbikes in cycle lane.
Seems Amsterdam drivers are better behaved than Edinburgh ones(?)
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I'm pretty sure that cyclists and pedestrians in the Netherlands don't like mopeds using the cycle lanes either, although it is historically allowed.
There are moves afoot to ban them.
Posted 6 years ago # -
chdot - I think that photo is from here:
https://goo.gl/maps/qCCFyJMtsKw
No car parking, almost no cars, clear hierarchy of priority - pedestrian, cycle, public transport and then car.
Posted 6 years ago # -
I think that providing for the parking of motor vehicles is at the root of most urban planning, and at the root of most problems associated with urban planning.
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@chdot @nedd1e_h
I'm pretty sure that cyclists and pedestrians in the Netherlands don't like mopeds using the cycle lanes either,Your right, they don't. Wife of owner of recliner shop in Zandaam was still recovering from being knocked off her omafiets by moped when we visited. The incident was avoidable but both her and the moped rider were moving at right angles to each other. Speed was factor as moped was going above limit of 25kmp/h.
Of course every third two wheeler is a moped or e-bike in some places but Dutch stay calm generally!Posted 6 years ago # -
Meeting the Council tomorrow morning for Spoks re Orca replacement.
What's the feeling - wands alone? wands plus Orcas? Wands plus something else? solid white lines?
Also got "other issues" on the Agenda for feedback re 2-stage turn and floating bus-stop plus I'd add the inconsistency and general poor quality of side-road crossings (bar Albert St?).
Does anyone use the 2-stage or seen anyone using it?
Comments welcome.Posted 6 years ago # -
Has to be just wands/bollards, doesn't it? I think the trip hazard is only going to be greater if there's a combination of orcas and wands.
Question then becomes, how robust should they be? Spring-loaded ones have been mentioned, but I think we need to be getting some properly solid things in.
I've used the two-stage turn a few times, and have done some three-stage U-turns with it. I like it, feels very safe, but also feels veryyyyyy slow. I think the council has said they'll consider changing the phasing so that pedestrians cross after the east/west green light rather than the north/south green light; would be good to push them on that.
Posted 6 years ago # -
wands with pom poms on.
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Wands with wee h****ts on?
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Not up to us to solve the problem. The professionals we pay can do that.
Something cars won't drive over and people won't trip over.
Posted 6 years ago # -
iwrats We pay them but they get it wrong. We need to educate and encourage them and to be World Class and use examples from all over (though closer to home more telling). They don't have time to explore all the options and read the forums and aren't encouraged so to do. In the current climate we can keep challenging and examples are usually taken as helpful.
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Frenchy Thanks - which turn do you find it useful for?
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IWRATS - something cars won't drive over. I reckon it would probably take something like this to actually keep the cars out:
Or, you know, actually having a continuous segregated cycle lane that runs the length of Leith Walk.
Let's face it - anything else will be ignored or destroyed, through a combination of malice and ignorance. Look what happened to the weenie bollards on the experimental George Street cycle lane - they lasted a matter of hours/days before being flattened.
Posted 6 years ago # -
How about harbour mooring bollards?
Posted 6 years ago #
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