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Leith Walk human-protected bike lane intervention
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Posted 6 years ago #
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@IWRATS would drive over them himself.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Now one is talking.
The first one and then at 3:51
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I'm not sure the 3:51 barrier is needed. A simple haha should be enough.
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I'll admit these ultra-well engineered barrier systems are all a bit of fun for the topic at hand, but it does show the uniformity of thinking amongst those of us who've witnessed time and again the casual indifference of drivers to street furniture.
It prompts the very serious question: what lessons has CEC learned from previous installations, like George Street, and how will CEC avoid repeating past mistakes? The last thing I want to see is more of the council's money being wasted on stuff picked at random out of the first catalogue that fell off the shelf.
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"The last thing I want to see is more of the council's money being wasted on stuff picked at random out of the first catalogue that fell off the shelf."
Clearly that's not how it happens(?)
But some councils (esp CEC?) don't seem to bother looking at any sort of 'best practice'/appropriate for the location solutions to problems they have created by lack of thought/attention to detail/concern for ("smooth") traffic (motor) flow.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Productive meeting for Spokes with the Tram Programme Director and a design person. Several options on the table to replace at same locations. Should have details to share shortly - all with wands/poles.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Thanks for the update McD.
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The council are considering the following wands / bollards for installation:
splitter island by Ed, on Flickr
greenwich wand orca by Ed, on Flickr
chamfered kerb and bollard by Ed, on Flickr
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Must have found a new catalogue...
Posted 6 years ago # -
If those are the options, the last one looks best.
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As the first two seem to fasten to the road surface and orcas coming unfastened was part of the problem, I'd vote for the kerb. No doubt more expensive but probably more viable long term.
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Clearly option 3 is the best, with option 2 looking the worst. Anyone care to put odds on the final choice?
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I'm not sure I understand how the first two can be acceptable if orcas aren't.
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Kerb & bollard looks pretty good, I must say (or am I missing something?). Presumably you could lay it with wider spaces between the sections than shown (allowing easier passage for pedestrians, buggies etc. but still excluding cars etc.)?
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The last one looks most effective, but if as I suspect the cost is significantly higher, then is it not less likely to be rolled out more widely?
For that reason I actually think the best one is the middle one, the Greenwich Wand Orca (honestly, the things you find yourself typing into Google...)
Posted 6 years ago # -
Kerb & bollard by miles.
Also it sounds like a 70s 'it'll be alright on the night' double act.
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if as I suspect the cost is significantly higher, then is it not less likely to be rolled out more widely
The cycling budget is 10% of the total transport budget. This is exactly the kind of thing we should be spending money on rather than paint and posters.
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@Snowy and there's some amazing words at that link!
"vertical Jislon Pole Cones (Wands) with reflective TSRGD markings, together with horizontal rubber modules."
"The Wand Orca* also offers a rubber bung with a reflective glass dome which can be used instead of the Jislon Pole Cone."
*A cetacean Harry Potter story?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Oh completely agree. It's just that we might be able to get more of the ones that don't cost as much?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Buy cheap buy twice.
Posted 6 years ago # -
“Buy cheap buy twice.”
Been there.
‘Buy cheap buy thrice’?
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I hope that (now fixed) triple post was a sort of meta-pun...
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Probably, my CCE seems to be slower than my finger...
Posted 6 years ago # -
Well, it will probably all get ripped up again as soon as the tram tracks come through the area so wouldn't it be better to use something which only needs a few holes drilled to install, rather than the need for reconstruction of the top layer of the road?
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"as soon as the tram tracks come through"
Will that be before or after Brexit/transitional period/new Global Britain comes into force?
Don't hold your breath for trams down Leith Walk...
Posted 6 years ago # -
The "kerb and bollard" is the preffered option of the proposers and looked best to us at the meeting. Placement and spacing proposals still under discussion - plus any other options that we suggest but decision needs to be taken soon. Plan is to replace in same locations as Orcas, though reported incidents, I think they said, only at Leith Walk/Pilrig Street jn East side.
The work is part of the Leith Walk Programme for which management is now subsumed into the Tram Extension Programme so it should be funded from LWP rather than cycling budget and shouldn't be ripped up to make way for the tram.
All Leith Walk developments (and Picardy Place) are supposed to be consistent with tram proposal.
Writing up my notes now but may take a while.Posted 6 years ago # -
@McD thanks for the update - and that is pretty cheering news.
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@McD, many thanks for the news. Nice to hear in time for Chrimbo...
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When setting the spacing, it will be important that the gap is large enough to get some sort of a sweeper through (both down the bike lane and through the gaps) so that it doesn't end up filling up with loose road grit and other slippy gubbins
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