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Soderberg numbers and relative car use

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  1. gembo
    Member

    3/2 = 1.5

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    anyone else got spreadsheet for this?

    No, but I'm thinking about it.

    So far, I've done one day bike only, one day bike then car later, one day motorbike only, and one day car only, so assuming a car journey in a day takes precedence over a bike journey the same day, my score is a terrible 1/3.

    It would've been 2/2 = 1, but last week I was a passenger in a car for picking up fish and chips, after an afternoon spent doing a huge recycling load by bike.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    I think a day where you both cycle and drive adds one to both numerator and denominator, soyou'dbe 2/3.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. Iain McR
    Member

    @ Frenchy - yes, I believe (have decided) that volume doesn't enter into it. So it's purely binary 'yes' or 'no' for each.

    Which means:

    30 secs in a car counts the same as 8hr on a bike which counts the same as a 5hr plane trip or 3hr on a train.

    And the max count per day per 'bike' or 'other' is 1. So if you did all of the above (in 1 day) it would score 1/1.

    I think that's right, although it is entirely possible I have totally misunderstood the basic principles of the Soderberg enigma.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Soderberg develops differently in each locality and operates the bootstrap principle to finalise its own different rules , as described just above by @iainmcr and @frenchy

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    I'm still waiting for the Sex, Lies & Videotape. That's the only reason I clicked on thios thread link in the first place. :-)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. HankChief
    Member

    @Iain McR & @Frenchy, you're both right. volume doesn't come into it, which should make it easier to record and also doesn't unduly penalise you for a multimodal public transport trip vs a single car journeys and also means even the shortest cycle counts in your favour and the shortest drive counts against you.

    For the record I'm now at a Soderberg of 5.5 (11/2 if you couldn't have worked that out), not bad but I fear it will only fall from here.

    (If you want to know my distances while I can still track them they are 125miles/30)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. HankChief
    Member

    Maybe I'm not trying hard enough...

    Despite doing 20miles of utility cycling yesterday, my score took a hit from travelling into town by motorised means with Mrs Chief for a very rare night out.

    On arrival at our swanky restaurant, my eye was caught by a pair of ebikes locked up outside.

    Inside were a couple of acquaintances dressed up the nines, who I know have electric bikes. Chapaeu.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    I'm up to 5, from 2 last week. This may probably drop next week as I start train journeys again.....though I always walk to the station at either end, so maybe each of those days will cancel themselves out as multimodal days.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  10. HankChief
    Member

    Currently at 6 but today's Soderberg dilemma might change that.

    Mini-chief & micro-chief both have evening activities a couple of miles from home which lasts about an hour so it is that annoying period where it isn't really worth coming home in between and pretty long to hanging about outside.

    For one of them I've been known to pop into Harts for blether and to plot the West Edinburgh Bike Revolution.

    For the one tonight we've got into a lift sharing rota with 2 of his friends' parents. It's my turn to pick up.

    The big bike only takes 2 passengers and they live up a hill so my options are:

    1. Take the car and the hit to my Soderberg score

    2. Ask Mrs Chief to do it to protect my score by damage domestic harmony

    3. Make the big bike even bigger to take 3 passengers & slug up the hill with them.

    4. Ask one or more them to cycle up the hill solo. (This might not be acceptable or sustainable)

    5. Offer to do the downhill drop off only.

    6. Drop out of the lift share and do both legs myself.

    7. Something else.

    What do you reckon?

    A high Soderberg score is tougher than I thought...

    Posted 3 months ago #
  11. Frenchy
    Member

    How does #3 work?

    Your score is higher than mine, so I vote #1.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  12. HankChief
    Member

    I still do the pick up of the 3 of them but I have to have a contraption suitable for me pedalling all of them up the hill. Maybe a sidecar...

    Posted 3 months ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief, think bike train has volunteered to make a sidecar?

    Cycled to work and back everyday this week which was a slog. Tonight the WoL path between Currie and Balerno was almost magicAl. Mostly white crisp snow with the odd patch of mud

    Posted 3 months ago #
  14. sallyhinch
    Member

    The snow is doing wonders for my Soderberg score - we haven't been able to get the car out of the drive so the only way into town is by bike (the bike can be walked through the worst bits, unlike the car).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief the west Edinburgh cycling revolution will really have kicked off if you turn up for your bit of the Lift Rota in deep snow and ice with a contraption all the children have to cycle and the other parents go for it.

    Talking of Hart's I have a tale about one of his customers. Oh wait in your honour I will not drif this thread but start another.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  16. urchaidh
    Member

    Can I get a judge's ruling on getting the bus home after midnight - if I go out to the pub by bus and come home after midnight, is that two days on public transport?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Yes two days.

    After midnight you see it is the next day

    Me this week, bike,bike,bike,bike.bike, bike (went out Whang on my own but chickened out at Colzium Corner unlike fietsclub dad today who made it I think beyond the tarbrax turn.) and today foot, foot. (Mrs Garto asking why I did not wait on her for the walk, so after I returned and the fecking archers was finished did the walk again, very slippy WoL path and even slippier lymphoy). Now in front of fire which has been wood, coal, wood, wood, wood. Was out the back with sunglasses and summer hat for Sunny the snowman that two progeny built instead of studying)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  18. urchaidh
    Member

    Harsh! I feel if I haven't been to bed yet, it's the same 'day'.

    Anyway, 1.8 (5.5) after three weeks.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    Yes harsh, but fair, given you were a dirty stop out?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  20. Frenchy
    Member

    @urchaidh - that's one day in my book, as well.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  21. gembo
    Member

    @frenchy, that is very soft.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  22. Frenchy
    Member

    I disagree. I apply the same rule for cycling, so my Soderberg score probably ends up lower my way than yours!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    @urchaidh, @Frenchy is the VAR on this. You should therefore recalculate your soderberg number.

    Mine is 7 / 0 this week. Good as tomorrow the cycling to work competition is going to ask for my mileage which I estimate as 120 miles

    Posted 3 months ago #
  24. unhurt
    Member

    I am with @Frenchy and @urchaidh here. For these purposes days are counted by sleeps. @gembo you are outnumbered and must submit to majority rule.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    @unhurt, I already did employing the VAR evidence as supplied by @Frenchy, see above

    Posted 3 months ago #
  26. Frenchy
    Member

    VAR?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    Video Assistant Referee, see football

    Posted 3 months ago #
  28. Frenchy
    Member

    Ahhh, you mean TMO :p

    Posted 3 months ago #
  29. HankChief
    Member

    Well the Soderberg committee is due to meet this Friday...

    Appeals will be heard with all those present getting a vote and the casting vote available to anyone who buys a round of cinnamon buns.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  30. HankChief
    Member

    Back on the subject of transporting other people's children by bike, my experience is a roughly 50:50 split between those who let me transport their beloved offspring on the big bike and those that don't.

    Each to their own parenting choices and all that...

    Those kids that do, generally pedal harder than my 2 and get off beaming from ear to ear - so much so that I've then had requests to give their sibling a shot at the next opportunity.

    I wonder what it is like in Holland? I expect that many children would be riding their own bikes and travelling independently...

    Posted 3 months ago #

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