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Soderberg numbers and relative car use

(45 posts)

  1. gembo
    Member

    3/2 = 1.5

    Posted 1 week ago #
  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    anyone else got spreadsheet for this?

    No, but I'm thinking about it.

    So far, I've done one day bike only, one day bike then car later, one day motorbike only, and one day car only, so assuming a car journey in a day takes precedence over a bike journey the same day, my score is a terrible 1/3.

    It would've been 2/2 = 1, but last week I was a passenger in a car for picking up fish and chips, after an afternoon spent doing a huge recycling load by bike.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    I think a day where you both cycle and drive adds one to both numerator and denominator, soyou'dbe 2/3.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  4. Iain McR
    Member

    @ Frenchy - yes, I believe (have decided) that volume doesn't enter into it. So it's purely binary 'yes' or 'no' for each.

    Which means:

    30 secs in a car counts the same as 8hr on a bike which counts the same as a 5hr plane trip or 3hr on a train.

    And the max count per day per 'bike' or 'other' is 1. So if you did all of the above (in 1 day) it would score 1/1.

    I think that's right, although it is entirely possible I have totally misunderstood the basic principles of the Soderberg enigma.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Soderberg develops differently in each locality and operates the bootstrap principle to finalise its own different rules , as described just above by @iainmcr and @frenchy

    Posted 1 week ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    I'm still waiting for the Sex, Lies & Videotape. That's the only reason I clicked on thios thread link in the first place. :-)

    Posted 1 week ago #
  7. HankChief
    Member

    @Iain McR & @Frenchy, you're both right. volume doesn't come into it, which should make it easier to record and also doesn't unduly penalise you for a multimodal public transport trip vs a single car journeys and also means even the shortest cycle counts in your favour and the shortest drive counts against you.

    For the record I'm now at a Soderberg of 5.5 (11/2 if you couldn't have worked that out), not bad but I fear it will only fall from here.

    (If you want to know my distances while I can still track them they are 125miles/30)

    Posted 1 week ago #
  8. HankChief
    Member

    Maybe I'm not trying hard enough...

    Despite doing 20miles of utility cycling yesterday, my score took a hit from travelling into town by motorised means with Mrs Chief for a very rare night out.

    On arrival at our swanky restaurant, my eye was caught by a pair of ebikes locked up outside.

    Inside were a couple of acquaintances dressed up the nines, who I know have electric bikes. Chapaeu.

    Posted 6 days ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    I'm up to 5, from 2 last week. This may probably drop next week as I start train journeys again.....though I always walk to the station at either end, so maybe each of those days will cancel themselves out as multimodal days.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  10. HankChief
    Member

    Currently at 6 but today's Soderberg dilemma might change that.

    Mini-chief & micro-chief both have evening activities a couple of miles from home which lasts about an hour so it is that annoying period where it isn't really worth coming home in between and pretty long to hanging about outside.

    For one of them I've been known to pop into Harts for blether and to plot the West Edinburgh Bike Revolution.

    For the one tonight we've got into a lift sharing rota with 2 of his friends' parents. It's my turn to pick up.

    The big bike only takes 2 passengers and they live up a hill so my options are:

    1. Take the car and the hit to my Soderberg score

    2. Ask Mrs Chief to do it to protect my score by damage domestic harmony

    3. Make the big bike even bigger to take 3 passengers & slug up the hill with them.

    4. Ask one or more them to cycle up the hill solo. (This might not be acceptable or sustainable)

    5. Offer to do the downhill drop off only.

    6. Drop out of the lift share and do both legs myself.

    7. Something else.

    What do you reckon?

    A high Soderberg score is tougher than I thought...

    Posted 20 hours ago #
  11. Frenchy
    Member

    How does #3 work?

    Your score is higher than mine, so I vote #1.

    Posted 20 hours ago #
  12. HankChief
    Member

    I still do the pick up of the 3 of them but I have to have a contraption suitable for me pedalling all of them up the hill. Maybe a sidecar...

    Posted 20 hours ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief, think bike train has volunteered to make a sidecar?

    Cycled to work and back everyday this week which was a slog. Tonight the WoL path between Currie and Balerno was almost magicAl. Mostly white crisp snow with the odd patch of mud

    Posted 16 hours ago #
  14. sallyhinch
    Member

    The snow is doing wonders for my Soderberg score - we haven't been able to get the car out of the drive so the only way into town is by bike (the bike can be walked through the worst bits, unlike the car).

    Posted 6 hours ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief the west Edinburgh cycling revolution will really have kicked off if you turn up for your bit of the Lift Rota in deep snow and ice with a contraption all the children have to cycle and the other parents go for it.

    Talking of Hart's I have a tale about one of his customers. Oh wait in your honour I will not drif this thread but start another.

    Posted 5 hours ago #

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