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Today's rubbish sentencing

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  • Started 9 months ago by Stickman
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  1. Stickman
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    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/south-queensferry/teenager-caught-driving-at-120mph-allowed-to-keep-licence-1-4654511

    " A teenager caught driving at 120mph on a dual carriageway has avoided a driving ban

    His excuse was that he was “running late” for a football match, even though the offence occurred at 6am.

    Appealing for him not to be banned, she said Hopwood was a product support worker with Astrak and his workplace is 30 miles from his home.

    “If he lost his licence it would mean a daily trip of three-and-a-half hours on public transport, which would be a major inconvenience,” said the solicitor.

    He also needed his licence to take family members to church, she added."

    Posted 9 months ago #
  2. steveo
    Member

    He also needed his licence to take family members to church, she added."

    Does that still work in the 21st centaury?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  3. Trixie
    Member

    That last sentence.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    If teenagers can get away with 120mph without losing their licences, what hope have we got?

    Driving standards have reached an all time low, IMO

    Posted 9 months ago #
  5. amir
    Member

    Incredible. Why bother with laws?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. Stickman
    Member

    edit: removed wrong info

    Posted 9 months ago #
  7. Frenchy
    Member

    Hopwood was a product support worker with Astrak and his workplace is 30 miles from his home

    As far as I can tell, this means his place of work is in Kirkcaldy.

    South Queensferry to Kirkcaldy is not 30 miles, it's barely 20 miles. The round trip could be cycled in 3.5 hours. Cycling to Dalmeny station. A bike/train commute would be a round trip of two hours.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  8. amir
    Member

    "He added that Hopwood’s young age, .... were the reasons for that decision."

    What?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  9. stiltskin
    Member

    which would be a major inconvenience,
    Heaven forfend that a punsihment should lead to a bit of inconvenience. Perhaps he should've thought about that before he floored it with his right foot.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  10. ARobComp
    Member

    Aren't they meant to be punishing young drivers MORE because they're more at risk of causing a accident in the first place?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  11. Frenchy
    Member

    @amir - I particularly enjoyed that his age, coupled with his clean record were reasons for not banning him.

    @Stickman - Don't think the company you linked to on twitter is the right one. They seem to only have offices in England.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  12. Stickman
    Member

    @frenchy: ta, don't know how I got that mixed up. I've deleted the tweets

    Posted 9 months ago #
  13. le_soigneur
    Member

    And apparently he was on his way to play a football match at 6am in the morning.

    His team is called Insomniacs United.

    His laywer is now taking up the defence case for Peter Tobin with 90% expectation of early release.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This rather puts things into perspective.

    If you can read that and not boil over, well, you're calmer than me.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  15. unhurt
    Member

    I'm not even sure I have the energy to be angry. It's EXHAUSTING. So exhausting. And it just goes on and on and on, and every reaction I have someone thinks is illogical or Too Much or that women just need to not get drunk or not use taxis (or always get taxis because if you're walking you're clearly not taking responsibility for your personal safety...) or something.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/pensioner-spared-prison-deliberately-driving-cyclist-leaving-injured-roadside-368319

    A pensioner from Derbyshire has been spared prison after driving into a cyclist and leaving him injured at the side of the road before driving off.

    Kenneth Ambrose pleaded guilty to charges of dangerous driving and failing to stop following an accident, and was given a 16-month suspended sentence, banned from driving for three years, and ordered to do 100 hours of unpaid work by a court in Derby.

    Ambrose’s lawyer, Nick Wright, said that the cyclist had undertaken his client who then “deviated towards the cyclist because he was distracted by this”. Wright also said that there was “no malice” in his client’s actions and that he “regrets the incident totally”.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  17. Ed1
    Member

    For an accident that did not result in death think the judge gave a stiffer tariff than often 3 year ban, 16 month suspended sentence, 100 hours.

    Of course reading the article and comments below there may be some doubts amongst some people as to was it really an accident rather than "redmist". If it was not an accident then it would be how it was brought and tried, the case that is rubbish rather than the sentencing.

    Just guessing quite likely wrong, but do wonder if the much stiffer sentence is because judge really had their doubts about intent, and was a bit of a fudge or was consider safer to proceed this was by prosecution etc. or led this way from beginning with the charge etc; then tried under a lesser offense, and given a strong tariff for that offense (strong compared to typical), rather than do it on the basis of it not having been an accident. Of course failing to stop possibly relates to the increased tariff so may be treated as accident where driver did not stop. If driver had stop may have been much lesser sentence.
    It may have been risky to do it as not an accident harder to prove or something if it was or was not the case.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  18. ih
    Member

    I would like to see 'failure to stop' treated much more seriously. Anecdotal evidence seems to show that this behaviour is increasingly common. Although (it could be argued) the original bad driving is not necessarily intended to injure, failure to stop is a conscious attempt by the driver to break the law, evade responsibility, and possibly leave someone severely injured, or worse, in the road.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/driver-who-killed-couple-and-their-dog-is-spared-jail-1-4715273

    A careless driver who killed a motorcyclist, his pillion passenger and their pet dog in a head-on crash while on his mobile phone was spared prison yesterday.

    The accident happened on the A6094 between Rosewell and Howgate, Midlothian, at around 10.30pm on September 1, 2016.

    Sheriff Norman McFadyen told Johnson the accident was “truly dreadful”.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  20. Trixie
    Member

    I just came across that one. Disgusting.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I am pleased that we won't be sharing our streets with Mr Worboys for some time. That's about the most hopeful thing for a while now God help us.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  22. Lezzles
    Member

    I remember that crash in Rosewell - it was horrendous. He hasn't even had a driving ban - just a few hours community service. How awful for the family

    Posted 6 months ago #
  23. Snowy
    Member

    "Johnson’s white BMW 116 Sport"

    circa £22.5k....'farm worker' is obviously a different sort of job these days.

    Death by careless driving is up to 5 years in prison. Nice to know that killing two human beings only warrants a few weeks of picking up litter. Wonder what has to happen to get 5 years in prison?

    Am I right in thinking that sufficient outcry by the public against a sentence has in the past resulted in a review of that sentence?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  24. unhurt
    Member

    Q: How is that fact it was dark relevant? I understand motorcycles usually have lights on them. Surely that should make them EASIER to see at night?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  25. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/driver-who-ran-over-and-killed-man-six-weeks-after-passing-test-escapes-jail-1-4753102

    "This was not a prolonged course of bad driving..."

    How could it be? She only passed her test six weeks earlier.

    Banned from driving for two years.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  26. Lezzles
    Member

    My husband attended that incident. It was incredibly tragic.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

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    03/07/2018, 8:14 am
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    https://twitter.com/humzayousaf/status/1014044585562181632

    Posted 3 months ago #
  28. ARobComp
    Member

    down south.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cyclists-car-crash-bikes-somerset-yeovil-michael-tarrant-martin-willis-mudford-a8447411.html

    Chap plows into 2 cyclists in a group going single file, leaves the scene, manages to get a "dangerous driving with injury" dropped to just "dangerous driving"

    2 year ban, extended retest, and £20 victim surcharge. I hope that the cyclists are pursuing private action against this individual as well.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  29. fimm
    Member

    The driver was 81, so I guess he'll never drive again.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    @fimm

    I wouldn't be so sure. Plenty of people drive into their 90s and judging by his car (Mazda MX5 or similar), I would say he's probably a driving enthusiast.

    Posted 3 months ago #

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