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Edinburgh Uni works on Middle Meadow Walk

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  • Started 5 months ago by Klaxon
  • Latest reply from Murun Buchstansangur

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    “have yet to encounter any problems when travelling around 'walking pace'.”

    Indeed.

    Thing is, any sign saying ‘bikes shouldn’t be here’ causes problems.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  2. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    They seem to post a workman at each end of the works each morning on the grass - not sure to what end. I thought maybe to discourage the rapidly emerging cyclist desire line on the grass, but nothing is said (rightly IMO) to those who do take that route. In effect they are just human bollards adding to the chicane-ry.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  3. condor2378
    Member

    @MB, Indeed. They are there to get in the way. I received a "OI! Slow Down mate" when heading North. I replied "Perhaps if you did some digging instead of standing about shouting at people it may get done quicker!"*.

    *In my head as I went up the grass desire line after saying nothing....

    Posted 1 week ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    Went through here earlier. Very annoyed that they've added another chicane at the bottom of the works, it just created a pedestrian bottleneck. It was busy enough when I went through that dismounting seemed like the sensible option, so I did.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  5. Snowy
    Member

    Quite portable, those signs...

    Posted 1 week ago #
  6. Frenchy
    Member

    I've been told by the University that the council asked for the signs to be changed.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  7. Roibeard
    Member

    Contractor said last week that they wanted "dismount" but council wanted "walking pace", as the foreman gleefully declared they were going to restore the "dismount" signage.

    Handy that each can blame the other...

    Robert

    Posted 1 week ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    Path is even more blocked today, with a diversion over the flash paving round by Sainsburys.

    Was asked to dismount by a random lady this morning, despite my attempts to ignore her. She continued to engage by tapping on my back (shows how fast I was going).

    I declined to dismount and continued up the empty grass strip.

    Those signs are generating conflict & animosity towards humans who happen to ride bikes on a "National Cycle Route". Thanks Edinburgh Uni.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  9. neddie
    Member

    This morning, a dismounted cyclist to 3 mounted cyclists travelling in the opposite direction, "It isn't difficult to get off!"

    Cyclists fighting cyclists. And making assumptions about who is able to dismount.

    You see the animosity these signs are causing?

    Posted 6 days ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    “You see the animosity these signs are causing?”

    Quite.

    Who IS in control here??

    Presume it’s CEC land.

    UofE work.

    Contractors subject to the Law - esp “reasonable” under access legislation??

    Posted 6 days ago #
  11. AKen
    Member

    I've decided to just avoid it for the duration and go via Lauriston Place. Between them the University, the Council and the contractors have managed to close off possibly the busiest cycle route in the city and made a complete shambles of providing any temporary arrangements to handle this.

    Posted 6 days ago #
  12. wingpig
    Member

    They should take note of the efforts of the contractors working on the Meadowbank Sainsbury section of the Lochend Butterfly, who have managed to construct a very serviceable temporary gangway hanging off the side of a wall above the bank of a railway cutting ("DISMOUNT" signage notwithstanding) whilst they store heaps of gravel on the old path. It shows that it's possible to create more temporary path if you need to block one to install your pipes and park your personal vehicles.

    Posted 6 days ago #
  13. Frenchy
    Member

    Changes were apparently made following "a number of instances where pedestrians were considered at risk from passing cyclists including cyclists passing an inappropriate speed and another involving a child being knocked off their bike by another passing cyclist."

    I was also linked to Safety at Street Works and Road Works - A Code of Practice, which I haven't looked at closely yet.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  14. mgj
    Member

    "inappropriate speed" what is that then? Its a steep downhill with conflict engineered into it. Do they close roads or make drivers get out and push when a pedestrian gets knocked down on any other route?

    Posted 5 days ago #
  15. neddie
    Member

    Changes were apparently made following "a number of instances where pedestrians were considered at risk from passing cyclists including cyclists passing an inappropriate speed

    Do you think we could have some changes made following "a number of instances where cyclists were considered at risk from passing motorists including motorists passing an inappropriate speed"?

    ^^ That question goes out to all roads in Edinburgh.

    Or do we only get this nonsense when it relates to cyclists?

    Posted 5 days ago #
  16. jdanielp
    Member

    @neddie that question also goes out to some shared paths in Edinburgh, e.g. MMW/NMW. Speed is generally less of an issue, but a lack of space in which to pass is definitely an issue since it is often larger vehicles on such paths.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  17. Roibeard
    Member

    You must ensure suitable provisions are made for the safety of cyclists passing or crossing the works. Particular care is needed where cycle lanes or cycle tracks are affected by street works or road works because these routes may be especially popular with cyclists. Cyclists might have to use other parts of the carriageway, a temporary cycle track, or an alternative route. You should consider whether access on the carriageway can be preserved for cyclists, even if it needs to be closed to motor vehicles. See page 70. Where the carriageway is closed but the footway remains open, a ‘Cyclists dismount and use footway’ white-on-red temporary sign can be used. Your supervisor, manager or other competent person may need to discuss these alternatives with the highway authority

    Sorry, document doesn't appear to apply, and in any case, the option of a diversion still hasn't been explored (because the Council maintain the cycle route isn't actually closed!).

    Robert

    Posted 5 days ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Was back to just half closed today. Upper chicane gone too but may just be weekend high jinks.

    Posted 3 days ago #

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