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COUNCIL NONSENSE ON NO BIKE RACKS FOR PROM

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  1. SRD
    Moderator

    from the boardwalk cafe fb page

    COUNCIL NONSENSE ON NO BIKE RACKS FOR PROMENADE! To be clear we asked for bike racks for whole promenade NOT outside cafe in isolation!(Huge number of bikes in photo) - Scotland’s Bondi Beach and a key Council manager says “No Bike Racks because the runners will run into them and we can’t be seen to be favouring your business”, yet the same Council delivers massive pre-graffitied bin to sit on promenade alongside existing park benches, all of which are larger than bikes and bike racks!!! Welcome to Edinburgh, Capital City of Scotland - the dynamic vision for healthy lifestyle and coastal living (despite having huge numbers of promenade visitors, stunning scenery and massive unfulfilled coastal potential)!!!

    For much of the last 3 years, Boardwalk Beach Club have been asking for bike racks along the whole 3 mile Cramond Foreshore Promenade, 3 miles North West of Edinburgh City Centre, stretching from Cramond village, through Silverknowes Beach to Gypsy Brae. 2 years ago The City of Edinburgh Council (CEC) Cycling Team visited and were excited by the prospect of adding cycle racks to the promenade, at various locations, at each end of the promenade, along the prom and including some bike racks to be situated outside Boardwalk Beach Club. Happy Days. This seemed logical, as the Council were actively promoting Health, Cycling, Walking and Active Travel.

    The photo here shows huge bike usage locked to fencing but along most of the promenade where there is vast open space and lack of facilities, bikes get chained to signs, benches, around litter bins or lie on the grass and are at risk of theft due to lack of adequate provision for bike racks.

    Unfortunately, when the CEC Cycling Team came for a second visit with the Parks Department, Boardwalk Beach Club and the Cycling Team were told by the Parks Department that they could not be seen to be favouring our business and that they could not add bike racks to the promenade because “runners would run into them” and they said they would have to go out to Cramond consultation on the matter.

    The City of Edinburgh Council Cycling Department and Boardwalk Beach Club were duly unhappy and astonished to say the least. Why waste money consulting over the question of acceptability of Bike Racks on a 3 mile promenade when it’s 13 metres wide, 3 miles long and when it already has many park benches and bins dotted along the promenade? The Parks response was to block the introduction of bike racks and so nearly 70 years there has never been any bike racks from Cramond to Gypsy Brae on the 3 mile promenade despite the council publicly advocating healthy lifestyle, yet privately ignoring it on Cramond Foreshore Promenade - one of the city’s most neglected assets. It beggars belief that the Parks Manager for Edinburgh North could suggest consultations for bike racks on a promenade and suggest runners may run into them and it also comes, ironically, shortly after the same Council delivered massive 1100 litre pre-graffitied bin to the same coastal stretch which benefits from the best coastal views in Edinburgh. Council officials have been stressing that they can’t install bike racks because of the runners or be seen to be favouring one business in the city - Boardwalk Beach Club - despite Boardwalk Beach Club making a massive contribution to the regeneration of the promenade - more so in two years than any council action over 50 years!

    Indeed, huge numbers of small businesses and others are benefiting from bike racks being installed in multiple locations throughout the city so why are we any different??? Hypocrisy and nonsense beyond belief. Boardwalk Beach Club and Cramond Foreshore Promenade seem to be being negatively discriminated against. Boardwalk Beach Club feel that some people in CEC people should pursue their passions and make things better for the common good, not pursue negative and blocking tactics which neglect, waste and do not lead to huge potential being fulfilled or realised. Let’s make this place awesome, not stifle, neglect or waste our resources in what is such an amazing situation. 50 years of decay, decline and unfulfilled potential must stop now and this amazing place, which is now being experienced by so many, should be treasured and nurtured.

    The Davidson’s Mains and Silverknowes Association have also picked up on our call for bike racks and raised the issue with the council mid way through last year.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Stickman
    Member

    That is <rule 2> absurd.

    Runners on a wide prom may run into a bike rack - disaster.

    Cars parked in bike lanes or on pavements - meh.

    TIE.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    “runners would run into them”

    I have run several thousand urban miles in my life without ever colliding with a bike rack.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    “they could not add bike racks to the promenade because “runners would run into them” ”

    Better ban the stupid Rule2ers then!

    That’s quite a rant - but entirely justified.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. nevelbell
    Member

    This is insanity. How fast do they think runners run along there?

    I've just cycling along the prom this morning and it's beautiful on a day like today, with maybe 20 or so people using it. The potential there is immense, half of thinks it should be developed, but the greedy other half says leave it as is.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    Sounds like someone on the council once ran into a bike rack.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. urchaidh
    Member

    - Porty Prom got some new bikes racks along its length last
    year.
    - Figgy Park has a park run with 200+ runners on 2-3m paths.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    More like Jurassic Parkie from Viz?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Braidburn Valley Park for example received bike racks years ago. Perhaps CEC can explain why the prom is different?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. Frenchy
    Member

    Even Magdalene Glen got bike racks when they were installing the speed bumps.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    "We don't want to encourage any more of those pesky cyclists to come round here using OUR prom. They're a menace to runners, dog walkers and little 'uns."

    There's a rough translation of what the Parks folk really think.

    While cycling on the prom the other weekend with my son I did notice the huge number of cars parked above at the top of the hill by Silverknowes. I opined that most of the people going for a stroll on the prom had likely driven as close as possible then walked from their parked car.

    Anyone who gets to the prom by bike would obviously be unusual, and possibly viewed as "deviant" by other prom users. I mean they did try to make it as difficult as possible to get from the road to the eastern end of the prom, by blocking the dropped kerbs with chicanes and a mahoosive steel gate. I'm sure it was done in the name of stopping motor vehicles, motorbikes etc. but it does speak volumes about the official attitude to cyclists also.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. mcairney
    Member

    Install them in the middle of the path, declare it a hurdles event, win-win?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    ...that they could not be seen to be favouring our business ...

    Ooh, let's apply this to car parking: as parking is not possible outside every business then the only fair solution is to ban parking everywhere. I'm up for it!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Nelly
    Member

    OK, so back on topic for a moment. Its not an area I frequent much, but I agree on the sentiment.

    I have been pushing QMile to put racks in sensible / covered places near my gym - but as a private entity they have just been blanking me.

    Presumably the council cant get away with that tactic - Is there anything we can do to influence, i.e. contact specific cycle friendly people on council?

    Maybe worth a small campaign.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Trixie
    Member

    It is nonsensical that there are no bike racks down there. The council are ignoring the idea of bikes as transport to get there to then wander along the beach and do all the other things not-cyclists do.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    Resurrected an old tweet

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    That tweet captures the issue in a nutshell. Where is Reggie Tricker when we need him.?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. steveo
    Member

    I'd been meaning to ride down for the park run on occasion but I didn't realise there was no bike parking.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. SRD
    Moderator

    i've ridden down for park run. there's a fence near the start that's okay. but nothing anywhere else.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    "Where is Reggie Tricker when we need him.?"

    Currently on holiday somewhere so I understand from the twitter feed.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. steveo
    Member

    there's a fence near the start that's okay.

    Ah cool. Cheers SRD. Think I'll try and start after the half next week.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    I'm sure there used to be some Sheffield racks on the eastern part of the prom, by the picnic tables which are near the junction with the Silverknowes branch of the prom as it heads inland. At least that was the case 7 years ago (when I last used them). Can't recall if they're still there or not.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. HankChief
    Member

    Don't worry our Cycling supremo has responded on Twitter...

    "Last time I was there I just parked my bike next to my table...."

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. Trixie
    Member

    I'm pleased for him that he both had a table and could leave his bike next to it. Now, back to the point in hand, why are there no bike racks in a park popular with cyclists, Mr Key? If Porty prom has space, that is not the issue.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    THe cycling team were actively looking for places tpo put racks. Not sure if budget spent I will ask. Other parts of the authority are very resistant.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. Frenchy
    Member

    So I just checked the first page on the list of parks in Edinburgh.

    Only four out of twenty have bike racks on OSM. Admittedly, OSM is probably missing some, but I am amazed and appalled at how poor this is.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    @gembo - I believe they still have a budget for that, but the officer responsible moved departments and I don't think anyone has taken it up again yet.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. Morningsider
    Member

    So the Council has money to install racks, there is plenty of space to do so at this location and the Council's policy is to "Continue programme of installing bike parking in response to requests." - page 24, Active Travel Action Plan.

    In addition, the Edinburgh Waterfront Promenade Design Code indicates that new street furniture should be added to the Cramond section of the promenade. It isn't made clear what this might be, but cycle racks are street furniture.

    So - what is going on here?

    Details:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/7316/active_travel_action_plan_2016_refresh
    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/2807/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_principles

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. gibbo
    Member

    @IWRATS

    I have run several thousand urban miles in my life without ever colliding with a bike rack.

    When I lived in Davidsons Mains, I often cycled along the prom from Cramond to (usually) West Shore Road.

    Each time, I'd have to negotiate my way round children running around, untrained dogs off the leash etc...

    Not once, did I hit them. Nor did I hit any stationary objects.

    And I was going faster than a runner...

    The whole thing is ridiculous.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. gibbo
    Member

    "Last time I was there I just parked my bike next to my table...."

    Here's the thing: the council doesn't regard cycling as transport.

    Normal families don't go to Cramond by bike. Normal families go by car.

    So there's a free car park and no bike parking.

    That's it.

    It's not oversight. It's not to protect short-sighted runners who might collide with stationary objects. And, at Silverknowes/Cramond it's obviously not because the prom is narrow.

    It's because, in the council's world, normal people don't cycle.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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