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Today's Rubbish Parking Enforcement

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  • Started 5 years ago by Roibeard
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  1. Roibeard
    Member

    Me to Council Parking Office:

    Coach drivers are illegally parking and loading at peak hours outside the Novotel on Lauriston Place.

    Could this be patrolled more please?

    Parking Services response:

    We have received the following message from our Enforcement Contractor:

    "Manned coaches get up to 30 minutes on an Main Traffic Route during peak times, therefore they are not in contravention assuming they move on within the allotted time".

    Me again:

    Even with no stopping and no parking restrictions?

    So coach drivers can ignore the yellow lines in Edinburgh?

    30 minutes free parking, regardless of restrictions?

    Please confirm this, so that I can raise it appropriately.

    Parking Services (after some hours this time):

    As per my previous email I only passed on the information to the Enforcement Contractor and then copied their response onto you.

    Following your most recent email I have questioned the response given by our Enforcement Contractor with the Traffic Regulations Team who have advised that this should not be the case.

    On this basis I have notified the Enforcement Contractor that they should be taking action against these vehicles.

    Sorry for the incorrect response earlier.

    This morning an enforcement officer was on scene...

    So, this begs the question, to which other folk laws are the contractors working??

    Robert

    Posted 5 years ago #

  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Wow. Wonder how long that was going on for, and how long before it reverts.

    Worth councillor involvement? Or trying to FOI the enforcement contract?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    “Worth councillor involvement? Or trying to FOI the enforcement contract?”

    Both.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Roibeard

    You have done a Good Thing. Thank you.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  5. PS
    Member

    Is it the same for big ol' Warburton bread lorries parking on double yellows to deliver their insipid spongy cargo to Tesco Expresses on city centre main roads in the middle of the morning rush hour?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  6. dessert rat
    Member

    @PS - remarkably I think they can have 10 mins on double yellow - so realistically the chance of getting a ticket is approaching the square root of zero.

    10mins ?? why.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  7. Edinburgh Cycle Training
    Member

    IIRC, vehicles used to get 5 mins (or so) grace on a yellow line. Zero on a double yellow.

    interesting (and very disappointing) if this has changed.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  8. Frenchy
    Member

    If there are yellow lines but not "no loading" markings (flashes on the kerbs), they can stay there as long as they are loading/unloading (probably some upper limit like an hour, not sure). There is a ten minutes "grace period" in order "to establish whether loading is taking place". The grace period is five minutes for non-commercial vehicles.

    If there are "no loading" markings, they can be ticketed immediately.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  9. neddie
    Member

    Coaches are parking fully on the pavement outside the Hamptons apartments on Fountainbridge, as well.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  10. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Coaches are parking fully on the pavement outside the Hamptons apartments on Fountainbridge, as well."

    Indeed - there is even a prolonged bit of dropped kerb installed by the building contractors, presumably to facilitate such scofflaw manouevres.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  11. the canuck
    Member

    "Coach drivers are illegally parking and loading at peak hours outside the Novotel on Lauriston Place."

    this infuriates me as a) it is on the beginning of the cycle lane and forces cyclists to compete with peak hour parental traffic, and b) there is no reason why they couldn't have built in a coach parking spot. that pavement is massive.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  12. Frenchy
    Member

    Or trying to FOI the enforcement contract?

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/proxy.php?file=/documents/19185/19185%20Parking%20Enforcement%20Protocol.pdf

    Posted 5 years ago #

  13. dessert rat
    Member

    @ Frenchy - the list of exemptions for double red lines is laughably long, esp if you're a taxi.

    "If the vehicle is a taxi and is waiting at the edge of the carriageway for so long as may be necessary for the purpose of enabling a person to board or alight from the vehicle or to load or unload their personal luggage."

    Posted 5 years ago #

  14. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    I've been getting the bit between my teeth on parking in thee Meadows recently.

    At the east entrance there's someone been parking on a teenstrip of green, and onto the path, forcing pedestrians out onto the cycle path on a blind corner. Yesterday I saw the driver parking, and getting out with his toolbox. As he got out I told him he couldn't park there. He told me he could. I reiterated that he couldn't. So he told me to unrinate off. Turns out his car has no MOT either.

    Further on there are often work vans outside some uni residences beside the old Buccleuch church, to the side of which is a gate which is now permanently open (I want to get a lock and shut it.... Preferably with vehicles already in the park). Which is odd given they can park and service the residences from the lane beside them (as pointed out by Mr Arthur).

    And the little tuck in beside the church itself has a car parked in it more often than not.

    Council said they'd pass to parking enforcement, came back and said that it's a police matter. Maybe, but it's gonna be waaaaaaay down their list of priorities, so it'll just continue with impunity.

    Councillor Claire Miller does seem (genuinely) put out by the parking there, so she may be able to kickstart things.

    Edinburgh and parks, we just don't seem to like to exclude vehicles.... (as a Friend of Figgate Park it's a constant bugbear of mine that the council sends in a van to collect the rubbish from the bins).

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. neddie
    Member

    I think it’s fair enough that the council should be allowed to bring council-liveried reasonable sized vans into parks for bona God’s activities like emptying bins & maintenance.

    Anything else should be strictly enforced, otherwise it’s a slippery slope to the entire thing being used as a parking field

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. neddie
    Member

    “bona God’s”. LOL

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    "I think it’s fair enough that the council should be allowed to bring council-liveried reasonable sized vans into parks for bona God’s activities like emptying bins & maintenance."

    Have to agree to disagree. Always churns up the ground to the side of paths, and as it means not having to find somewhere to park they always stop for a break, and leave the engine running. In the Meadows they always seem to choose to drive through at evening rush hour.

    Large jobs, yep, you'll need to bring big machinery in. Emptying bins, a large cart will do the job, and any park will have an entrance point no further, generally, than 500 metres away from the furthest you'd have to go.

    Large vehicles should not be driven, and do not 'need' to be driven in 99% of cases, in parks (in my opinion).

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. Frenchy
    Member

    Maybe, but it's gonna be waaaaaaay down their list of priorities, so it'll just continue with impunity.

    Indeed. I've had success in getting them to deal with a frequent pavement parker, but it took several weeks of reporting them to 101 every few days.

    ***Stop press***: https://twitter.com/EdinPolSE/status/1131257735331422208

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Cycling is surely the bona God's activity?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. PS
    Member

    Emptying bins, a large cart will do the job, and any park will have an entrance point no further, generally, than 500 metres away from the furthest you'd have to go.

    If the Council was remotely joined-up and as committed as it says it is, it would have cargo bikes for this very purpose. Set an example.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    @Frenchy, that's great!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. ejstubbs
    Member

    Not today, but last Sunday at Anstruther. The harbour area is a popular spot for visitors, hence parking around Shore Street is fairly strictly controlled otherwise it would be an utter nightmare (and probably deter a good many of those money-bearing visitors from returning). But last Sunday every double yellow line* seemed to have a workie's van parked on it - most often with two wheels on the footway (because obviously that means it doesn't count, or something).

    * And yes, all were furnished with "At any time" signs.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. ejstubbs
    Member

    Regarding carts for rubbish collection, I remember when dustbin lorries looked more-or-less like this:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/7187/6812215506_3a515fea26_b.jpg

    and dustmen carried your galvanised steel dustbin to the lorry on one shoulder and tipped the contents on to the festering pile in the back.

    I'm sure that I remember my local council having smaller, hand-drawn versions of the same sort of thing, with electric motors that engaged when the tow handle was pulled down, for emptying the bins in the local parks. Went at about leisurely walking pace.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. crowriver
    Member

    "I remember when dustbin lorries looked more-or-less like this"

    Around the same time as waste disposal looked like this:

    Oh wait...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. the canuck
    Member

    "and dustmen carried your galvanised steel dustbin to the lorry on one shoulder and tipped the contents on to the festering pile in the back."

    my dad was a garbage man back in the day when it was done by hand, and at the time when they starting bringing in standarised bins and mechanical arms. the fuss people raised.
    my dad had to quit after an injury, which triggered a full body pain syndrome--he was off sick for months. but folks didn't like having to put garbage in a bin--they preferred to throw bags out to the kerb and force people to lift heavy things by hand...

    bah.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. LivM
    Member

    A bit of thread drift but I remember the wire cage bins they tried to get my parents to use (St Andrews, 1980s) which they had no room to store at the front of the house and no side alley so it got used as a tool rack in the back garden. It was basically just a giant seagull feeder anyway so no idea why anyone thought it would be a suitable bin.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. the canuck
    Member

    wire cage? so, basically one of those brain development toys, but for wildlife?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. LivM
    Member

    It was about the height of a wheelie bin but cylindrical made with 2" (ish) square mesh and had a heavy rubber lid like what you see on station bins that just have a plastic bag. No wheels. It just served to contain black bags while presenting them to the wildlife for buffet service.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. gembo
    Member

    @wilmington, the car parked at east end of the meadows, silver? There every day last week. At it.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. Trixie
    Member

    We had those stupid bins in the 80s too. Utterly pointless.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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