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FRB Cycling Liasion Meet

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  • Started 6 years ago by minus six
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  1. minus six
    Member

    I've been invited to attend a Cycing Liasion meeting this upcoming monday afternoon at the FRB Amey offices.

    Rob from Sustrans will be representing general issues. My position is to specifically represent regular cycle commuters, as best i can.

    My main argument is that the endless plethora of "dismount" signs renders the cycleway officially non-continuous, over a period of many years.

    In practise no-one really expects us to dismount but this has created an absurd situation where cycle commuters are effectively crossing the bridge "at your own risk", as shared liability rests with us if we do not dismount every few seconds as indicated by the signage.

    This might prove convenient for Amey should any litigation arise, however I contend that we should expect a continuous cycleway without dismount signs on at least one side of the bridge, especially considering that the public / media perception is that FRB is all sorted for active travel now.

    Amey / Transport Scotland have instead maximised their operations on both east/west cycleways, presumably they see this as a logistical necessity, leaving us in a position where we have to accept shared liability in the event of an accident eg, lets imagine a contractor leans into his van and throws a safety harness out onto the path behind him without looking. (Not that you need to imagine it.. as it does happen.)

    Is there anything else regular commuters would like me to bring up?

    Perhaps Amey might tone down their contractors' obstructive vehicle traffic on the cycleway before 9am daily, for example.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Sounds interesting.

    Hope they are prepared to listen and act.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    is the van/lorry service when winds too high for bikes going to continue?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. 14Westfield
    Member

    I often find that around 8am the contractor flat bed trucks are driven right up to the tower access point to unload/load materials.

    This means they have blocked the entire path (as the access points are with barriers).

    Perhaps a restriction on this activity during commuting times? (if not outright).

    I have to say the workers are always friendly when passing so are worth a general thumbs up from me.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. minus six
    Member

    Productive two hour meeting today.

    First hour was all about signage around the FRB area, snagging issues and concerns being addressed by AMEY / SUSTRANS ongoing, so I didn't take specific notes about that.

    My rough unofficial notes below are all from the second hour of discussion.

    Current contractor projects (main cable inspection, truss replacement etc) are winding down and due to finish September 2018.

    Thereafter one further major project will commence to replace joints at the main towers, and this will run until Summer 2019.

    This project will necessitate closure of one cycleway throughout, therefore existing closure will remain in place.

    (West side closure began when it was noted statistically that there were far more incidents on west cycleway than on east.

    Also issue with cyclists bombing down from Echeline straight onto west cycleway without checking out the junction from the underpass.)

    We'll be switching from east cycleway to west cycleway, probably from this September onward.

    AMEY are genuinely interested in our ideas for improving access to cycleways at south end of bridge, particularly west side.

    Its a tight fit but it might be possible to install a toucan crossing similar to the one on the north end of bridge.

    FETA were keen to consider opening a lane on the main carriageway to cyclists, leaving the existing paths for pedestrian use. This was knocked back by Transport Scotland at the time, however from FRB management point of view, they remain open-minded about this option returning to the table.

    DISMOUNT signage is due to previous legal opinion reflecting negligence in inadequate advisory signage that resulted in litigation against FETA following a cyclist crash, a few years ago now.

    Contractors are repeatedly advised by management not to expect cyclists to comply with dismount signage, and that they must continually look for cyclists making progress on the path. Contractors in vehicles are expected to pull in to allow cyclists to pass. Contractors who repeatedly ignore these expectations are removed from the site.

    AMEY's main concern from our side is cyclist speed. We are respectfully encouraged to adhere to the 15mph limit. There's no particular area on the bridge that this applies, but notably the north end bus stop blind corner has seen five significant cyclist incidents over past two years.

    After summer 2019 we will see a significant reduction in contractors and associated obstructions.

    By August 2018 we'll have four digital signage 'totem poles' at each cycleway access point, east and west side, north and south end, and also a fifth additional one at the car park. These will have updated info for peds/cyclists and also a MMW style counter of number of cyclists passing by.

    Regrettably I neglected to bring up the possibility of reducing vehicle traffic on cycleway prior to 9am, to allow commuting cyclists less hold ups and friction, however will discuss this at next meeting, as these liaison meetings are intended to continue ongoing.

    That said, I'm more than happy to rotate our ongoing attendance among other regular FRB commuters on the forum, so if you are interested give me a shout.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Well done.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. Frenchy
    Member

    DISMOUNT signage is due to previous legal opinion reflecting negligence in inadequate advisory signage that resulted in litigation against FETA following a cyclist crash, a few years ago now.

    Fair enough, except they could have used something like "Pedestrians have priority" or "Cyclists proceed with caution".

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. minus six
    Member

    Cyclists proceed with caution

    yes indeed, this very phrase got a mention and was acknowledged

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. acsimpson
    Member

    @bax, Thanks for taking the time to go to the meeting. It's good to hear that an end is in sight although I'll only believe it when I see it. As much as I enjoy the down under whoosh it would be good to have an at grade crossing point at the South prior to us spending a year using that path.

    I had my worst blockage yet a few weeks ago. A truck servicing the toilets was blocked almost entirely blocking the path. It was clearly going to be there for quite some time and the only way past was to squeeze down the side while lifting my handlebars higher than the railing.

    The gaffer there at the time said he was going to get them to relocate the toilet to the end of the work compound so it wouldn't happen again but so far that hasn't happened.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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