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“Corstorphine residents rage at motorists using streets as a ‘park and ride’ “

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  1. chdot
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  2. biketrain
    Member

    @HankChief, am I still OK to park at yours for my next holiday?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. fimm
    Member

    Hardly peculiar to Corstorphine: my colleague comments that people use his street to park up in before taking the bus.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    Corstorphine will have more airport parkers I am guessing as it is on the airport bus route. Commuters will park anywhere on an arterial bus route into town

    I don't really mind this as it challenges the idea that you own the road outside your house.

    Priority parking would stop fifers and airport people parking in corstorphine yes. But the locals are going to be incandescent when they start getting tickets for parking outside their own doors at 8.15 a.m or 16.30pm etc.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. HankChief
    Member

    I'm not sure I get the purpose of the article.

    The council have just consulted on this. Shouldn't we wait for the results of the consultation?

    The article would have been better whilst the consultation was open or once the results were known. Timing is just weird.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief, low news day?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Local Streets For Local Cars.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. Ed1
    Member

    It may be better for the environment if people park their car in corstorphine for 2 weeks

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. Snowy
    Member

    The commuting issue is really not news. It's pretty much why the controlled (resident parking) zones were extended a few years ago. 15 years ago our area experienced this quite badly - most days we would struggle to ever park within 300 or 400 yards of our flat. Then the controlled zone was implemented and it's really been fine. I don't have a problem paying an annual charge to park my private steel box on the public highway.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. Snowy
    Member

    Maybe some enterprising Corstorphine residents could offer to recharge electric cars left on the street while the owners are at work, since it seems there's naff-all chance of the council implementing on-street charge points in the next few years, if ever. (I've just bought a new car and am grumbling a bit about this - would have gone all electric if it was feasible)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. Ed1
    Member

    good idea 2.0

    I guess the council should sell yearly permits for areas on the open market to achieve market prices so that anyone could bid for a permit in Corstorphine . There may be airline pilots or someone that may pay more to park in Corstorphine. A permit system where permits sold on the open market would discover the true price of parking spaces

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    "There may be airline pilots or someone may pay more to park in Corstorphine"

    Anecdotally, they're mostly in Barnton (pilots) or East Craigs (aircrew).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. Arellcat
    Moderator

    A permit system where permits sold on the open market would discover the true price of parking spaces.

    By way of related evidence:

    Garage on St Alban's Road: £35k
    Garage on St Fillans Terrace: £30k
    Underground parking space in High Riggs: £120/month

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. gibbo
    Member

    Surely the simple solution is to make this "permit parking only."

    Then the local residents could buy permits - and they'd be able to park there.

    Or is this just another "someone else is using the free parking place I long assumed belonged to me for some reason ..."

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/corstorphine-residents-to-take-tough-stand-against-parking-permit-plans-1-4815333

    “Edinburgh Western Liberal Democrat MSP Alex Cole-Hamilton has launched a petition to stop a controlled parking zone (CPZ) – with permits for residents and pay-and-display for other motorists – being established in Corstorphine”

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    How confusing, do the corstorphine residents now accept that it is ok for fifers to park outside their houses? Or is their rage about this lesser than their rage about permits? Bonkers over corrie way

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. Nelly
    Member

    Very schizo behaviour -

    "we hate people parking on our street"
    "we dont want to pay for parking in our street"

    When we moved here the street was fairly quiet at weekends, but rammed every week day, people parking and riding into town (as was their right).

    Made it a bit of a nightmare for us when the boy was wee and we had all the baby stuff to lug to the house.

    CPZ extension changed that overnight.

    We pay about £100 for the privilege (zone S1) of parking in the street - and I think it is an absolute bargain, a steal.

    These people need to read about economics - maybe start them with one of Steven Dubners Freakonomics books - to understand that their on street parking is now a commodity and hence has a pricetag.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Not particularly schizo, just poorly explained by Chip Wrapper and Cole Hamilton

    The residents (or those who ACH claims to represent) want the cheapo permit scheme known as Priority Parking (annual permit cost <£40) rather than full-on CPZ (permit >£120)

    Wouldn’t be Embra vehicle owners if they weren’t demanding their cake, eating it and refusing to pay for any of it...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. Nelly
    Member

    "The residents want the cheapo permit scheme known as Priority Parking (annual permit cost <£40) rather than full-on CPZ (permit >£120)

    Wouldn’t be Embra vehicle owners if they weren’t demanding their cake, eating it and refusing to pay for any of it..."

    Not sure about those numbers - I am in the CPZ, I pay £102 for my (not small) car. The idea it is expensive to buy a permit is nonsense.

    As for car drivers not wanting to pay, everyone I know in a zone thinks its a great idea...........

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. Stickman
    Member

    Despite their claims, it isn’t just commuters that are the problem: Corstorphine residents have to look at themselves.

    In the block of four flats next to us the retired couple in one flat don’t have a car and walk/bus everywhere. Between the other three flats there are (at least) five cars. That’s for one block. Our block is unusual in that there are only three cars between four flats.

    Corstorphine needs to be a full CPZ.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. Stickman
    Member

    Most expensive permit seems to be for 3L+ gas guzzlers in Zone 1 at £499.

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/10730/residents_parking_permit_prices_3_april_2018.pdf

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    As a business in Corstorphine... I support a CPZ in Corstorphine!!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. acsimpson
    Member

    I think the reason some people are objecting is because the council said the full CPZ would be a fund raising option in their budget. I don't personally see any reason why they shouldn't make money from private property being left on public land.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    Corstorphine Community Council:

    “Really disappointed to see local MSP campaigning in local media against something before the full results of the @Edinburgh_CC consultation are published.
    Just for info the numbers in @edinburghpaper article don't seem to be the same as the ones published in public last month.”

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. ARobComp
    Member

    I had a conversation about this recently. I was suggesting that a car parking pass should be roughly equivalent in cost (or at least somewhat compatable) across say 8 years, to the value that a driveway brings to a house.

    So say my house is valued at 6k more because it has a driveway (imagine it's more). I live there for 8 years so parking costs me £750 a year. Plus the tax and fees on buying the thing (4%).

    Surely then we can use this to deduce that someone who get's a parking permit on their street should be paying something comparable to this?

    Note that when I did live in town I did not have a car despite the flat having two whole parking spaces. In roseburn I campaigned to improve the parking situation because I would rather have paid for parking the tiny car we barely used rather than dealing with the ridiculous situation that was Roseburn Street.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. sallyhinch
    Member

    the first house we bought was on the one-way system in Maidenhead and despite being opposite a multi-storey car park there was nowhere we could leave a car at all without moving it every day (there was no other residential street within the town centre so no provision for car storage). In the end, we rented a garage that was 15 minutes walk away which had multiple benefits - not only did we only use the car if we really needed it, but it meant it lived in a much nicer postcode than we did and so insurance was cheaper, so the garage practically paid for itself.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. fimm
    Member

    [The car]"... lived in a much nicer postcode than we did and so insurance was cheaper..." LOL

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. ARobComp
    Member

    Doesn't work that well these days. I moved from Roseburn with onstreet parking away from my house, to a house with a driveway in the sticks, and saved exactly £0. The geo area the insurance company used was "Edinburgh" which I pointed out was rather large, however clearly car crime is not huge here.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. ejstubbs
    Member

    @ARobComp: A house with a driveway can be a greater risk anyway (says the man who lives in a house with a driveway). If your car is on the drive but you clearly aren't in, that can tempt a would-be car thief to break in to the house to find the car keys (or to fish for them through the letter box - some people do indeed leave their keys on the hall table next to the front door). A car parked in the street amongst other cars gives little clue as to where the keys might be found. With modern car security systems, if you want to steal a particular car then getting hold of the keys somehow is much more likely to be successful than attacking the car directly.

    @acsimpson: I think the reason some people are objecting is because the council said the full CPZ would be a fund raising option in their budget.

    So the good people of Corstorphine should get a CPZ at no charge? Given that it's one of the more affluent areas of Edinburgh, they're 'avin a larf.

    I don't personally see any reason why they shouldn't make money from private property being left on public land.

    My understanding is that, generally speaking, the home owner does own the land as far as the middle of the road. (That's certainly what's indicated on the site plan of my house as provided by the seller's solicitor when we bought it.) However, the fact that there's a public highway running over that part of their property overrides most of the landowner's rights in terms of occupation of that bit of land.

    Happy to be proven wrong by someone who really does know what they're talking about!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    "My understanding is that, generally speaking, the home owner does own the land as far as the middle of the road. (That's certainly what's indicated on the site plan of my house as provided by the seller's solicitor when we bought it.)"
    My houses title deeds only show that my property extends to the edge of my front garden (Well, I have a hard standing and there's no pavement outside my house, so it extends to the edge of that - but not the road).

    Though I don't know either way, I'm just going by what my deeds say.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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